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Posted by: Jenna Location: Madison
Yes Angie, Madison is sooo bigoted. How many shootings, exactly, have happened at a campus bar? Um, let's see- there was one at stillwaters- Oops, wait, it was hip-hop night there when the shooting occured, between two people who had been singing hip-hop and started ripping on each other's performance-Let's see, there was a stabbing outside the plaza tavern recently, but there isn't much chance of a ricochet from a knife blade, and no innocent bystanders were ever in any danger, no was there danger to windows, property, vehicles in the street, unlike the gun toting punks that seem to erupt at many more hip-hop events than country music, or folk jams, or rock concerts... I sure don't remember anyone blasting away at the Eagles concert, or Cher, or the Drum and Bugle corps finals. Yeah, and before you cry discrimination anymore, you can't be anti-discrimination, and then insist that only people 25 and above be let in- your discriminating against people who have a legal right to drink. Posted by: Angie Location: Madison I think it has to do with the police. I don't understand why none of the college bars get shut down and I see police presence there everytime I'm down there. But if they have to come to a hip hop club it isn't ok. I definately feel it is very discriminating to us hip hop fans. I also feel they need a hip hop club that is 25 and up to try to keep some of the troublemakers out. Posted by: Jokeman Location: Middleton Kara you are so cute where your hippin I'm Hoppin...lol Posted by: Mike Location: Madison Kara- I agree- it is not the music, it is the threat to public safety, the anti-social deviant behavior of the atendees and patrons of the establishment on the evenings of the performance. I would expect the city to ban kareyoke bars if gangs of 10-20 people started dividing into two gangs outside the bar/ venue after closing and firing guns, screaming, fist fighting, stabbings, property damage to neighboring businesses. I'd even back banning line dancing at adult day centers if they were throwing down afterwards on the street outside! But that's just it, isn't it? You don't see C/W fans, rock, metal, punk, disco, orchestral listeners dividing up and facing off w/ handguns, knives, weapons and fists after events. if hip hop wants to create a niche, perhaps they should advise their fans to police themselves, and just say no to violent displays after events! of course it is always the oppressor claiming oppression by the society they disrupt. Posted by: Chris Location: Madison I find Mr. Hoffman's comment interesting, "It's not just a "hip hop" problem it is a problem with any music that is not understood and not accepted by that city's decision makers. It is basic human psychology; you tear down and/or shut down what you don't understand." In Madison's case, the hip hop clubs were not closed down because city decision makers didn't "understand the music." They were closed because of the clientele they attracted. The city leaders had to act in the interest of the public. The same would happen to the Overture Center if their clients acted inappropriately. This is the fault of the club's patrons and no one else. Posted by: Kristin Location: West Bend, WI Kara! Love your blog girl! Hip Hop belongs in Selery 7A. Posted by: Sose, hip hop artist Location: Milwaukee I definitely believe hip hop can thrive in Madison. We're doing it in Milwaukee with a hip hop magazine whose aim is to build a COMMUNITY. Every movement needs a figurehead to guide the culture in the direction it needs to go. You have create an environment where people have a vested interest in seeing the music survive. A lot is based on what type of artist you book. Take the time to listen to what is being said in their music, and you will find out much about the mentality of people that will likely come and support it. It's time for hip hop leaders to emerge and set the tone for positive outcomes. |
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