Zimmermann Murder: Wrongful Death Lawsuit
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UPDATED Tuesday, June 2, 2009---2:42 p.m.

A lawsuit filed against Dane County Executive Kathleen Falk by the family of Brittany Zimmermann has been dismissed.

Dane County Judge Maryann Sumi issued a ruling today saying the Zimmermann family cannot sue Falk or Dane County over an alleged lack of funding for the 9-1-1 center.

Brittany Zimmermann made a 9-1-1 call just moments before she was murdered in her apartment in April of 2008. The 9-1-1- operator did not hear any sound on the call and when the call was disconnected she failed to call back or dispatch police.

Zimmermann's family and her fiance Jordon Gonnering sued the county, falk, the 9-1-1 center and the dispatcher.
The judge ruled today the county cannot be sued because it has governmental immunity.

Falk and the operator cannot be sued individually because they were doing their jobs.

The judge ruled Gonnering cannot sue because he is not a family member.

The Zimmermann's lawsuit against the 9-1-1 center was not challenged and will go forward.

UPDATED Wednesday, May 27, 2009 --- 7:40 a.m.

MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- A Dane County judge will decide by the end of next week whether to throw out a wrongful death lawsuit filed by the parents and fiance of Brittany Zimmermann.

Judge Maryann Sumi says she'll issue a written decision on, or before June 5 as to whether she'll dismiss the lawsuit or exclude any defendants.

Kevin and Jean Zimmermann and fiance Jordan Gonnering allege Dane County, County Executive Kathleen Falk and former 911 dispatcher Rita Gahagen were negligent in their duties and that resulted in the murder of the University of Wisconsin-Madison student at her apartment last year.

In April 2008, Zimmermann called 911, presumably for help, but the dispatcher did not send police or call back after being disconnected. Gonnering later found Zimmermann slain.

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UPDATED Tuesday, March 31, 2009 --- 4:30 p.m.

On April 2, 2008 UW Madison student Brittany Zimmermann was murdered inside her West Doty Street apartment. Thursday, on the UW campus students, staff and faculty honored her life -- exactly one year after it was taken.

On the above date at 12:20 in the afternoon. Brittany Zimmermann was murdered in her West Doty Street Apartment. Exactly one year later, at 12:20, people gathered at the Carrilon Tower to honor her life and pay their respects.

"I have children who are about her age and I would be floored I would be crushed if something like this happened. It is just terrible. The injustice of it is terrible," said Debbie Klimet who works at the university.

Her family and many others looked on with tears in their eyes.

Added student Abby Sears, "Seeing how the family is dealing with it and all the people that are here today remembering her I think it is kind of overwhelming."

The bells tolled 21 times. Once for every year she was alive.

"I could have been walking home. It could have been me. It really affects you," stated Caitlin Gath.

"I am really honored we were invited to do this because it means a lot that they want us to get involved to remember their daughter too," said Color Guard member and student Kathleen Carey. The Color Guard led the ceremony.

"I wanted to pay my respects. She was a Badger. She was doing the same things I am doing. I think she deserved it," concluded Gath speaking of her attendance.

The MPD has released updated information on the search for Brittany Zimmermann murderer.

Over the past year 143 officers have spent time on this case, generated 220 tips, filing 2900 pages of reports and contacting 700 people.

They have also partnered with other law enforcement agencies to further their investigation.

Their search has become more focused and Police Chief Noble Wray says he believes they will solve this tragic crime.

There are two reward funds available, the one by the family has reached $15,000 and another offered by Crimes Stoppers is at $1,000.

A scholarship fund has also been set up in Brittany Zimmermann's honor.

It is called "Dollars for Brittany". If you would like to donate head to our webchannel and clink on newslinks.

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UPDATED Tuesday, March 31, 2009 --- 10:25 a.m.

From the University of Wisconsin:

MADISON - The late Brittany Zimmermann will be in the thoughts of University of Wisconsin-Madison students, faculty and staff on the one-year anniversary of her death, Thursday, April 2.

"Brittany is still very much in our minds and hearts," says Dean of Students Lori Berquam. "On Thursday, we plan to celebrate her memory."

To honor Zimmermann, the Carillon Tower bells will toll 21 times, one chime for each year of her life, at 12:20 p.m., the approximate time of her death.

Members of the campus community are invited to observe the ceremony from the Carillon Tower base, 1160 Observatory Drive.

During the chimes, the Army ROTC Color Guard will present the colors in remembrance of the positive impact she had during her life.

Following the tolling of the bells, carillonneur Lyle Anderson will play "Intermezzo for Delft" by Leen't Hart. Also on April 2, Berquam will also meet with Zimmermann's parents, Kevin and Jean.

Zimmermann was killed inside her downtown Madison apartment on April 2, 2008, and the investigation into her death continues. The Marshfield native was majoring in medical microbiology and immunology and planned to attend medical school. She was awarded her UW-Madison degree posthumously in 2008.

Aunt Kim Heeg, serving as family spokesperson, thanks the Madison community for its support during the past year, but stresses that it is difficult to cope with such an enormous loss.

"'It will get better with time.' ... We have heard this statement frequently over the past year," she says. "The truth is that the heartache we feel today is even worse than that of a year ago. The realization that never again will we hear Brittany's contagious laugh, see her infectious smile or feel her arms around us in a hug is more than words can express.

"We all lost so much a year ago. The world lost a beautiful young woman with so much to offer. We, her family, lost a part of our hearts that will never be filled and feel a physical pain in our bodies each and every day. Brittany loved life and she loved her family; we will spend every minute of every day loving her and missing her amazing presence."

Those wishing to do something positive on the anniversary of Zimmermann's death have the opportunity to help financially challenged students earn college degrees.

Contributions to the "Dollars for Brittany" fund can be sent to the Brittany Zimmermann Memorial Fund, Marshfield Medical Center Credit Union, P.O. Box 279, Marshfield, WI 54449.

"We continue to be grateful for the community support we have received and proudly announce that the first-ever Brittany Zimmermann Memorial Scholarship will be awarded this spring," Heeg says.

In addition to scholarship money, Zimmermann's family has established a private reward fund. It currently stands at $15,000. Anyone with tips or information should call Madison Area Crime Stoppers at 608-266-6014. Callers can remain anonymous. Crime Stoppers also has a separate reward fund of up to $1,000.

Out of the horror of her loss, Berquam says that a renewed emphasis and focus on campus safety has developed on campus during the past year. For more information, visit http://www.safeu.wisc.edu or e-mail dean@odos.wisc.edu.

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UPDATED Wednesday, March 25, 2009 --- 3:30 p.m.

From the City of Madison Police Department:

The one-year anniversary of the murder of Brittany Sue Zimmermann-April 2, 2008- will soon be upon the Madison community. Chief Noble Wray believes it is important, at this juncture, to let the public know, generally where the investigation into Brittany's homicide stands.

An MPD investigative team continues to work this case very hard, and detectives are making progress. The probe has become much more focused, and those assigned to it firmly believe they will find the person, or persons, responsible for Brittany's senseless death.

"We continue to be confident, that with the support of the Zimmermann family, and the community, that the caring professionals of the Madison Police Department (MPD) will solve this tragic crime," said Chief Wray.

The investigative team consists of: a supervising lieutenant, two full-time detectives, two half-time detectives, a part-time crime analyst, a full-time intelligence assessment officer, and other MPD staff members are brought in to work the case as needed. Over the course of this past year, 143 different MPD officers have spent time on the Zimmermann case.

The MPD has also partnered with other law enforcement professionals for additional expertise and assistance. They include:

• Wisconsin Department of Justice, Department of Criminal Investigation
• Wisconsin State Crime Laboratory
• Dane County Coroner's Office
• Federal Bureau of Investigation
• University of Wisconsin Police
• Wisconsin State Capitol Police
• Dane County Sheriff's Department

Stranger homicides - where there is no known relationship between victim and suspect- are the toughest to solve. Brittany's is one of those difficult cases, as was Joel Marino's. Finding the Madison businessman's killer in Minnesota required time-intensive police work. Such a deliberative process is ongoing in Brittany's case. Science and best police practices are being brought to bear on the investigation. Thus far, 200 tips, and 2900 pages of reports have been generated. Detectives have come up with over 830 names of individuals worth checking out; over 700 of them have been contacted to date.

Brittany was 21-years old, and a third-year senior at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, when her life was cut short. Studying in the UW's medical microbiology and immunology department, she planned to get a doctorate in infectious disease. Her dream was to find cures for some of the word's horrible diseases and viruses.

Brittany is survived by her loving family, and her "soul mate" - fiancé Jordan Gonnering.

Brittany's aunt, Kim Heeg, is spokesperson for the family:

'It will get better with time'…. "We have heard this statement frequently over the past year. The truth is that the heartache we feel today is even worse than that of a year ago. The realization that never again will we hear Brittany's contagious laugh, see her infectious smile, or feel her arms around us in a hug is more than words can express. We all lost so much a year ago. The world lost a beautiful young woman with so much to offer. We, her family, lost a part of our hearts that will never be filled and feel a physical pain in our bodies each and every day. Brittany loved life and she loved her family; we will spend every minute of everyday loving her and missing her amazing presence."

To honor Brittany's memory, her family set up a college scholarship program in her hometown of Marshfield. Those wishing to do something positive in Brittany's name - on the anniversary of her death - have the opportunity to help financially challenged young people earn college degrees. Contributions to the "Dollars for Brittany" fund can be sent to: The Brittany Zimmermann Memorial Fund, Marshfield Medical Center Credit Union, P.O. Box 279, Marshfield, WI 54449.

"We continue to be grateful for the community support we have received and proudly announce that the first ever Brittany Zimmermann Memorial Scholarship will be awarded this spring," said Heeg.

In addition to scholarship money, Brittany's family has established a private reward fund. It currently stands at $15,000. Anyone with tips or information should call Madison Area Crime Stoppers at 608-266-6014. Callers can remain anonymous. Crime Stoppers also has a separate reward fund of up to $1,000.

"We would again like to thank the community for their support with the reward fund and we can only pray that it helps lead to an arrest and conviction very soon," said Heeg, adding, "We remain appreciative of the ongoing investigative efforts by the Madison Police Department and remain hopeful that justice will be served."

The thoughts of the men and women of the Madison Police Department are with the Zimmermann and Gonnering families on this anniversary of Brittany's passing.

They will continue to pursue with vigor-justice for all who have been victimized by this crime.

Brittany's parents have asked media to respect their privacy during this difficult and emotional time. They are not doing interviews, or providing additional comments.

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UPDATED Wednesday, January 14, 2009 --- 8:00 a.m.

MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- The parents and fiance of a slain University of Wisconsin-Madison student are suing Dane County and others, alleging negligence led to her murder last April.

Kevin and Jean Zimmermann, parents of Brittany Zimmermann, and fiance Jordan Gonnering claim County Executive Kathleen Falk was negligent in failing to properly staff and equip the 911 dispatch center.

The lawsuit claims dispatcher Rita Gahagan did not follow proper procedures when she ended a 911 call from the victim, despite sounds of distress.

The lawsuit does not include a monetary demand. But, an earlier claim filed by the Zimmermanns asked for more than $50 million in damages. Gonnering's claim sought $2 million.

Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.

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UPDATED Tuesday, January 13, 2009 --- 8:45 p.m.

Click HERE to read article in Wisconsin State Journal website

Tonight, the Wisconsin State Journal reports the parents and fiance of Brittany Zimmermann are suing Dane County, County Executive Kathleen Falk and former 911 dispatcher Rita Gahagan. The suit alleges that their negligence led to Zimmermann's murder.

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UPDATED Friday, January 9, 2009 --- Noon

***NOTE: NBC15 will not be airing the call on its television news broadcasts, but you can listen to it on NBC15.com. The link is found in this story.***

MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- Police have released a 911 call made by a University of Wisconsin-Madison student after he found his fiancee stabbed to death in their apartment.

The April 2 call made by Jordan Gonnering was released in response to a judge's order.

Gonnering tells the operator he had just arrived home when he found his door bashed in and his fiancee Brittany Zimmermann shot.

Police say Gonnering was mistaken, and Zimmermann had been repeatedly stabbed by an intruder. They continue to search for her killer.

Officials edited out more than a minute of the five-minute call with a judge's approval because it contained descriptions of the crime scene critical to the investigation.

The call was released in response to a lawsuit by news organizations seeking information about the case.

Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.

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UPDATED Friday, January 9, 2009 --- 11:00 a.m.

Today, authorities released the 911 call from Brittany Zimmermann's fiance Jordan Gonnering. NBC15 will not be airing the call on its television news broadcasts, but you can listen to it on NBC15.com. The link is found in this story.

According to the Wisconsin State Journal, officials have edited out about 68 seconds of the five-minute recording.

Brittany Zimmermann was killed inside her West Doty Street apartment on April 2, 2008.

As NBC15 News has reported in the past, Gonnering thought Zimmermann had been shot, even though she had been stabbed. Police said there were signs of forced entry. The killer remains at large.

Gonnering's attorney didn't want the 911 call released, believing it would traumatize Zimmermann's family and others.

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UPDATED Tuesday, January 6, 2009 --- 8:45 a.m.

From the Wisconsin State Journal:

The union that represents the former Dane County 911 employee who answered the call from slain UW-Madison student Brittany Zimmermann's cell phone is challenging her three-day suspension.

Click HERE to read article from Wisconsin State Journal

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UPDATED Friday, December 26, 2008 --- 6:45 p.m.

MADISON, Wis. (AP) — A former Dane County emergency dispatcher has been suspended over apparent confusion stemming from a slain college coed's 911 call.

Controversy over the call University of Wisconsin-Madison student Brittany Zimmermann made April 2nd before she was killed in her apartment has lingered for months. The dispatcher, Rita Gahagan, has said she didn't hear a scream or sounds of a struggle on the call and didn't call the number back or send police to investigate.

Gahagan had asked to transfer out of the 911 center before Zimmermann was killed. Dane County Executive Kathleen Falk's chief of staff Topf Wells said Friday that Gahagan will be suspended for three days in her current job as a child support clerk.

Copyright 2008 The Associated Press.

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UPDATED Friday, December 26, 2008 --- 4:45 p.m.

The 9-1-1 operator at the center of a botched call the day Brittany Zimmermann was murdered has been suspended.

A spokesperson for County Executive Kathleen Falk tells NBC15 News that Rita Gahagan will be suspended for three days without pay from her current job in another county department.

During an internal investigation into the mishandling of Zimmermann's call, Gahagan said screams heard on Zimmermann's call didn't register as screams.

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UPDATED Saturday, December 6, 2008 --- 9:15 a.m.

MADISON, Wis. (AP) — An internal investigation found that the 911 call from a University of Wisconsin-Madison student when she was being killed in April lasted 57 seconds, but the operator wasn't able to hear "sounds possibly indicating an emergency."

Records show the 911 operator did not call back to the number to determine if there was an emergency, and no officers were dispatched to the area where the cell phone call originated until 48 minutes later, after a roommate found 21-year-old Brittany Zimmermann dead.

The stabbing death of the UW-Madison student from Marshfield remains unsolved.

Dane County 911 center officials said in their May 6 report that the operator could not hear screams and sounds of a struggle. A police detective is quoted in a search warrant document as saying the 911 call had those sounds.

Copyright 2008 The Associated Press.

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UPDATE Posted Wednesday, December 3rd, 2008 -- 4:50 pm
By Zac Schultz

Madison: Madison's Police Chief says it's still too early to determine the impact from the release of key details in the Brittany Zimmermann murder case.

Chief Noble Wray got an unpleasant surprise Monday when he was told seven search warrants in the Brittany Zimmermann murder case had been made public. "Clearly, we did not want those warrants unsealed, make no mistake about it."

Madison Police and the District Attorney's office are sharing the blame for not getting a judge to renew a seal on the warrants. "The mistake and the oversight is clear. We owned it, we did it, it's clear. It was our responsibility," says Wray.

Chief Wray says detectives spent Monday and Tuesday looking at the evidence in the search warrants, trying to assess what their release would mean.

Wray says the short answer is they don't know. "It was very difficult to quanitfy how bits and pieces of information will have an impact on a case."

But they don't think it will prevent them from finding the killer. "They do not believe that this case is jeopardized."

The search warrants reveal the exact cause of Brittany Zimmermann's death- she was beaten, strangled and stabbed to death with a short knife.

We also have a description of her 911 call right before her murder. A detective says you can hear a scream, then the sounds of a struggle.

The 911 operator failed to dispatch police and Zimmermann wasn't found for another 50 minutes, when her fiance found her body.

But Chief Wray says he still won't release the audio of the call, saying there is still some evidence in this case that needs to remain secret. "Clearly, there is significant investigative information, significant evidence contained within that tape that still has value from an investigative standpoint both by content and context."

Chief Wray says detectives are still making significant progress in the case. He described it as a funnel with investigators getting closer to the middle, and the killer.

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UPDATED Tuesday, December 2, 2008 --- 4:30 p.m.

Report from NBC15's Zac Schultz and Dana Brueck:

At 11:30 in the morning on April 2nd, Brittany Zimmermann spoke to her fiance on her cell phone.

Less than an hour later she was dead.

Newly unsealed search warrants show that Zimmermann made her desperate call to 911 at 12:20 p.m.

According to a search warrant, "The disconnect started with the sound of a woman screaming and the line remains active and open, picking up the background sound of a struggle for a short period of time."

Last spring we learned the 911 operator who took the call failed by not dispatching police... and failed again by calling back the wrong number.

Police weren't notified about Brittany's murder until 1:08 p.m., when her fiance Jordan Gonnering came home and found her body.

He told detectives, "She was cold, her fingers were stiff," and there was blood on her face.

Gonnering originally though Zimmermann had been shot, but the search warrants reveal she was actually beaten, strangled and stabbed multiple times-with half of the stabs penetrating her heart.

A coroner's report indicates the knife used to kill Brittany was between 2 and 5 inches long.

Detectives believe the killer kicked in the security door on the apartment, but did not have to force entry into Zimmermann's apartment.

In a wrongful death lawsuit filed in Dane County Court, Zimmerman's parents said Brittany was killed in her bedroom.

Police recovered bloody slippers and computer paper with blood drops. They also took hair, 18 blood samples, 9 partial footwear prints, 10 fingerprints and 23 swabs for DNA.

The only mention of Zimmermann's cell phone is that police found cell phone parts.

The State Crime Lab did isolate unknown DNA on Zimmermann's body.

They also took DNA samples from three different homeless suspects. At one point Anthony Cosgove told police they might find his DNA or footprints at the crime scene, because he liked to diagram crime scenes.

Jeffrey Ball was arrested the night of Zimmermann's murder just a few blocks away. He was in a woman's bathroom in an apartment complex and threatened officers. He had a knife with blood on it, and a history of violence.

Chauncey Mack allegedly confessed to the crime to a group of men two days after the crime. Another man heard Mack says he went to rob the place, found Brittany, and stabbed her 8 to 12 times.

None of the men have been charged with a crime, and the District Attorney says he doesn't believe any of the men are still suspects.

Meanwhile, the call from Brittany Zimmermann's cell phone could be released. Dane County's District Attorney says he's working with police to make a recommendation on the issue to the 911 center.

The DA says the documents detailing the 911 call and other evidence became public due to an oversight. The DA says it is up to his office and police to request, through a judge, that the records remain sealed for a given period of time, but that never happened last week. A judge, however, still could've denied the motion. Still, Dane County's prosecutor says he has some regrets about how the situation unfolded.

Brittany Zimmermann's mother says the family begged to hear the 911 call from her daughter's cell phone, made the day she was killed in her apartment on Doty Street.

Jean Zimmermann says she knew very little about the call or about her daughter's final moments.

Instead, Dane County DA Brian Blanchard says the family learned details from a newspaper reporter.

He says the records would've become unsealed eventually but investigators would've let the family know ahead of time.

Madison Police say, through a statement, investigators would've preferred the warrants remain sealed.

Back in May, then-director of the 911 center Joe Norwick answered questions about the mishandled call.

Earlier this year: "The dispatcher answered this call and inquired several times to determine whether an emergency existed on the other end of the phone and received no answer to the inquiries."

Norwick has since resigned from the position and the County Executive has since apologized and worked to implement changes.

Earlier this year: "I concluded that an apology was appropriate for the errors committed in our 911 center."

The DA says he met Tuesday morning with Madison Police to determine whether they think the 911 call itself can be released, or whether parts of it should be kept private to avoid jeopardizing the investigation. He says they will make a recommendation, but it's up to the 911 center to release the call.

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UPDATED Tuesday, December 2, 2008 --- 4:15 p.m.

Statement from Madison Police Department:

There has been great media interest in the recent release of search warrant documents pertaining to the Brittany Zimmermann case. The public airing of these formerly sealed documents was not sought by the Madison Police Department, and it would have been preferable - from an investigative standpoint - that they would have remained sealed.

The failure to seek additional extensions for a seal was an oversight by the Madison Police Department and the Dane County District Attorney’s Office.

That said, much of the information contained in the documents is dated, and the investigation has advanced since they were filed last spring. Detectives remain focused, and are making progress in tracking down Brittany’s killer/killers. Although it is hard to quantify what impact there might be from the release of any particular piece of information, detectives don’t believe the unsealing of these search warrant affidavits will jeopardize their case.

The details contained in it are difficult, sad, and troubling. It is important we not lose track of the significant impact their release is having on Brittany’s family and friends. It’s equally important that we continue to focus on who has been lost.

Brittany was a young UW-Madison student filled with hope and promise. She had dreams of earning a medical degree and helping humanity. She had a close family, a fiancé, and friends all of whom loved her very much.

This department remains as committed to solving this case today as it was on the day of Brittany’s death, and the public’s continued patience is appreciated as resolving stranger homicides is often time intensive.

There currently is a private reward fund of $14,000 being offered for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the person or persons responsible for Brittany’s death.

There is also up to $1,000 in Crime Stoppers’ money available in this case.

Anyone with information is urged to call Madison Area Crime Stoppers at 608-266-6014.

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UPDATED Tuesday, December 2, 2008 --- 2:35 p.m.

Statement from the Dane County Public Safety Communications:

Our thoughts and prayers continue to be with the Zimmermann’s family during this most difficult time.

An investigation done in May by the 911 Center found no evidence the dispatcher who took a call from Ms. Zimmerman’s cell phone heard anything that indicated an emergency was occurring. The 911 Center checked a number of factors that might have affected the dispatcher’s performance. The dispatcher wasn’t distracted by other matters at the time of the call. The equipment the dispatcher was using was functioning properly and given the dispatcher’s handling of numerous other calls that day, the individual’s hearing ability was not believed to be a factor. The dispatcher was not working overtime and there was a full complement of staff on duty in the Center at the time of the call. The dispatcher was a nearly 20-year veteran of the Public Safety Communications Center.

I anticipate disciplinary proceedings in association with the dispatcher involved with this call will be complete this month. The dispatcher hasn’t been employed at the 911 Center since April 13, 2008.

While it is impossible to eliminate all chances for human error, steps have been taken in recent months to minimize opportunities for error. For example, this summer, the Center Board, working on a directive from the County Executive to former 911 Center Director Norwick, revised policy, requiring police be dispatched to 911 calls originating from cell phones in which it can’t be determined whether an emergency exists on the other end of the phone.

The 911 Center has and will continue to provide its full assistance to the Madison Police Department and prosecutors in their ongoing efforts to apprehend and eventually prosecute the killer(s) who committed this murder.

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UPDATED Tuesday, December 2, 2008 --- 1:15 p.m.

STATEMENT ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF THE DANE COUNTY CORPORATION COUNSEL

Madison police investigators and the District Attorney are reviewing whether release of the audio recording of a 911 call from Ms. Zimmerman’s cell phone would harm the police department’s ongoing murder investigation.

The tape has not been previously released because police and prosecutors are concerned that information contained on it may jeopardize their apprehending and prosecuting a murderer.

Consequently, the County is not able to comment further on this matter at this time. Further inquiries can also be directed to the Madison Police Department and/or the Dane County District Attorney’s Office.

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UPDATED Tuesday, December 2, 2008 --- 1:00 p.m.

NBC15's Zac Schultz examined the court documents this morning. Watch for his report on NBC15 News at 4:00 p.m., 5:00 p.m., and 6:00 p.m.

Click HERE to read article in the Wisconsin State Journal

From the Wisconsin State Journal:

Newly uncovered court documents reveal:
- Screaming and a struggle could be heard during a 911 call made from Brittany Zimmermann's cell phone before she was found dead.
- 48-minutes elapsed from the time of the mishandled 911 cellphone call until the time police were sent to Zimmermann's apartment.
- Zimmermann had been stabbed in the heart repeatedly, beaten and strangled.
- Police did not find a weapon at the scene.
- Valuables were left behind in her apartment, calling into question whether robbery could be a motive.

MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- Search warrants show that a college student slain in her off-campus Madison apartment was lifeless and cold when her roommate found her, but she had called 911 about 50 minutes earlier -- only to have the call mishandled.

The Wisconsin State Journal reported on its Web site on the contents of the long-sealed search warrants it obtained Monday in the unsolved murder of 21-year-old Brittany Zimmermann.

The University of Wisconsin student from Marshfield was found dead on the apartment floor April 2 by roommate Jordan Gonnering.

Authorities have said the 911 call from Zimmermann's cell phone was made around the time she was attacked, but a dispatcher lost contact, didn't call back and didn't send police to investigate.

Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.

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UPDATE Posted Thursday, May 15 --- 5:30pm

The following is a memo sent to the Dane County Board of Supervisors, from Scott McDonell, Chairman:

"I want to let you all know about the next meeting I am scheduling in order to move forward with our review of the performance of the public safety communications center.

I plan to hold a meeting of the Executive Committee, open to all supervisors and the public, on June 4th at 6:00pm in Room 201. I anticipate that we will approve an independent audit of our 911 center at that meeting in order to review their performance with fresh eyes. Public testimony would also be taken at this meeting, as was done at the joint committee meeting on May 8th. As a reminder, we have had two opportunities for public comment to date: the May 8th joint meeting of Public Protection and Judiciary and the May 12th Personnel and Finance Committee.

We are working with the Association of Public Safety Communications Officials International, the professional association for public safety communications, to bring one of their staff here for the meeting to describe their Member Assistance Advisory Program. This program provides peer reviews of the operations of public safety communications centers, and has been used by a number of counties and municipalities to assess the performance of the 911 centers. We have also invited staff from the Waukesha County 911 Center, who had a review performed by APCO, to discuss their experience.

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UPDATE Posted Wednesday, May 14 --- 11:50am

Press Release from Eileen Bruskewitz and Jack Martz:

Members of the Dane County Board will hold a public hearing this Monday, May 19th, from 6:00 – 8:00 p.m. at the Fitchburg Community Center, 5510 Lacy Road, (Lower Level) to hear public testimony relating to issues facing Dane County’s 911 system and center.

Members of the public are welcome to attend and testify at the hearing.

Dane County 911 Director Joe Norwick, Dane County Executive Kathleen Falk, Sheriff David Mahoney and Madison Police Chief Noble Wray have been invited to speak at the hearing and answer any questions as their time would allow.

Dane County Supervisors Ronn Ferrell (District 15) Eileen Bruskewitz (District 25) and Jack Martz (District 33) will co-chair the meeting. Time for speakers will be allotted based on an estimate of the likely number of speakers at the hearing so everyone has an opportunity to have their views considered.

“We feel is important for the public to hear the available facts regarding the 911 Center, it’s mission and staffing, as well as giving citizens their first opportunity to give us input regarding 911 in Dane County.”

The supervisors ask the public to bring any questions they may have about the 911 system. In addition, this hearing is an opportunity to let members of the 85 user groups of the 911 system tell the public about their interactions, both positive and negative, with the 911 Call Center.

The focus of the hearing will be the 911 Center’s performance and its future, and not on the specifics of the Brittany Zimmerman case that is still an active police investigation. If time does not allow all questions to be answered, the public will have the opportunity to give their questions to Supervisors so they may be asked at future meetings held by the County Board and various committees.

We are holding this hearing to allow the public to begin the process of regaining the trust it must have in our 911 system. We also hope to help educate the public about the 911 system so we’ll have the most effective one possible. The people of Dane County deserve nothing less.

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UPDATED Friday, May 9 --- 9:45pm

Madison Mayor Dave Cieslewicz toured 911 center tonight following a mishandled call from murder victim Brittany Zimmermann.

The tour was actually planned before the recent murders of Joel Marino and Brittany Zimmerman. The city's 20-year contract with the 911 center is up in July.

The mayor says he wants to get a better understanding of how the center works. "Specifics of how calls are handled, calls coming from cell phones," says Mayor Cieslewicz. "Of course, how those calls are handled both when we're able to make contact with and when there isn't sufficient information, how those are handled, how those are logged, how the operators can juggle those calls."

The Dane County 911 Center Director testified before the county board Thursday night.

Joe Norwick apologized to Zimmermann's family about the mistakes made the day the U-W student was killed in her Doty Street home. A dispatcher did not call Zimmermann's cell phone back after it disconnected, instead providing a call-back to a hang-up call.

County Board Chairman Scott McDonell: "Is this common to have multiple errors like this or is it uncommon?"

Norwick: "I don't think it's a frequent occurrence, I think people are human. People make mistakes. people in a very stressful job make mistakes."

Norwick says he can't guarantee that no mistakes will be made, but is working to limit the opportunities for mistakes.

Changes are already in the works to improve communication between different agencies in Dane County. NBC15 News has learned 30 million dollars will go toward replacing 911 computers and other equipment.

Meantime, County Board Chairman Scott McDonell says the board wants to bring in an outside source to review policies and procedures at the 911 center and make improvements.

"It seems the policies are solid, it's whether they are being followed or not. That's really a concern especially for someone like me who lives downtown, right in the middle of basically unsolved murders" said McDonell.

Board supervisors are also concerned about whether the 911 center followed a strategic plan from 2004. The report recommended increasing staffing, changing procedures and creating a stronger oversight board.

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UPDATE Posted Thursday, May 8 -- 5:00pm

At 5:30 Thursday night, the director of Dane County's 911 center will be in the hot seat, trying to explain the botched 911 call from Brittany Zimmermann the day she was murdered.

Today, NBC 15s Carleen Wild learned:

- City and county officials are concerned too much information is being said in this case.

- The District Attorney, Chief of Police, two police captains and a detective working on the case walked together into the County Executive's office.

- They are very concerned about the statement the union steward has made about what is or isn't on the 911 tape, and essentially asked that nothing else be said by anyone - in regard to the call or what may be on the tape.

- There is concern that too much information if being released and will jeopardize not only the investigation, but also a possible genuine confession.

NBC 15s Carleen Wild also confirmed the following changes coming to Dane County 911:

- 30 million dollars has been authorized to spend to replace all 911 computers, radio towers, equipment and other technology that supports the 911 call center.

- The new software will better bridge what have been communication gaps between the 60 plus emergency response teams, meaning the different community police, fire and other agencies within Dane County, that have to interact when there is an emergency.

Stay with NBC 15 and www.nbc15.com for continuing coverage of this developing story.

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UPDATE Posted Thursday, May 8 --- 8:05am

Today, Dane County 911 officials will brief Dane County Board members on the 911 investigation.

It takes place at 5:30pm at the City-County Building (210 Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd., Room 201).

The meeting is open to the public, but board members may go into closed session to discuss any personnel-related issues.

NBC15 News will have live reports from this meeting on NBC15 News at 5pm and 6pm, and a full report on NBC15.com and NBC15 News at 10pm.

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UPDATE Posted Wednesday, May 7 -- 1:50 pm

Madison: Madison Police are saying today the 911 center's mistake did not derail or jeopardize the Zimmermann murder investigation.

Tuesday NBC 15 News reported the 911 center sent detectives down the wrong path initially, by saying a dispatcher had called back Brittany Zimmermann's cell phone and two men had answered and said there was no emergency.

In fact, the dispatcher never did call Zimmermann's cell phone, instead the two men were from a 911 hang up in the Town of Middleton.

But it took 13 days for the 911 center to catch the mistake. By then, police had "focused some investigative efforts on that callback and the two males".

Wednesday, a spokesman says they were investigating many leads early in the case and the two men were not the main focus of detectives, and this mistake did not "derail" the investigation.

The dispatcher that messed up the call has transferred to another job but could still face discipline.

Dane County Executive Kathleen Falk says she has no plans to discipline or fire Joe Norwick, the 911 center director.

But that doesn't mean she didn't have plenty of criticism for his performance in the last few days.

Joe Norwick has faced a lot of media pressure since last Thursday, when it was revealed one of his 911 center dispatchers failed to send police to help Brittany Zimmermann the day she was murdered.

At the time Norwick was brusque and unapologetic. "I don't think there's anything to apologize for at this time," he said.

Since then Dane County Executive Kathleen Falk has apologized for him. "I concluded that an apology was appropriate for the errors committed in our 911 center."

But it wasn't just his tone that brought criticism. Thursday, Norwick was asked if the dispatcher was still working in the 911 center.

Norwick said she had worked in the center after the screw up. But it was later revealed the dispatcher requested and received a transfer and is now in a different county department.

Falk was asked why Norwick mislead reporters. "He believes, when I asked him the same question, that he technically and honestly answered the questions he was asked. I said, 'Joe, while I understand you answered the questions technically accurate. The impression left by everyone in that room was different."

County Board Chairman Scott McDonell had similar worries. "It does concern me. I think that will be one of the issues we raise Thursday." Thursday is when Norwick will testify before county board supervisors.

McDonell says in private they've been getting better answers. "I know he has a long distinguished record. I just think the media part of it is not his strong suit, and it's unfortunate."

Despite all this Falk says Norwick won't be disciplined. "I have not agreed with a number of the statements...that Director Norwick has said in the last several days. But I have confidence in his ability to lead our 911 center."

Falk has called for an external investigation of the mistake. That will be conducted by the Association of Public Safety Communications Officials.

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UPDATE Posted Wednesday, May 7 --- 9:00am

Just a clarification from the Middleton Police Department:
Recent news reports related to the Brittany Zimmermann case indicated that a landline 911 hang-up call that center personnel handled during the time period that is the focus of the investigation originated in "Middleton."

We would like to clarify that the call originated in the "Town of Middleton" not in the City of Middleton. Landline 911 calls originating in the City of Middleton are directed to the City of Middleton Communications Center, not the Dane County Communications Center.

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UPDATE Posted Wednesday, May 7 -- 1:25 pm
By Zac Schultz

Madison: It appears the 911 Center made two crucial errors the day Brittany Zimmermann was murdered.

The first error prevented Zimmermann from getting police help immediately. The second error-just revealed Tuesday- ended up sending detectives down the wrong path for nearly two weeks.

Dane County Executive Kathleen Falk presented new information at a press conference Tuesday afternoon. Falk says the month-long internal investigation was completed Tuesday. She ran through it with the District Attorney and Madison Police to find out what details could be released without compromising the investigation.

Here's the background: On April 2nd, Brittany Zimmermann called 911 from her Doty St. apartment. The 911 dispatcher made three inquiries, heard nothing and then the call was ended. (Previously 911 Center Director Joe Norwick said the dispatcher hung up on Zimmermann, but now they say it is unclear, and they can only say the call ended.) The dispatcher moved on to a 911 hang up call.

According to policy, she should have called back Zimmermann's cell phone. Instead she called back the second hang up call and spoke to two men who said there was no emergency. She never called Zimmermann back. That was her first mistake.

The second mistake came when the 911 center later told police that the two men answered Zimmermann's cell phone.

911 didn't learn for 13 days that the men were from the second call and not related to the murder. But all the while detectives had been focused on finding these two men who where ultimately never connected to the murder.

The dispatcher said she heard nothing on Zimmermann's call, but police have said there were noises on the call that should have resulted in police being dispatched.

The next point of contention is where police would have been sent. Last week Joe Norwick said cell phone GPS technology was unreliable, and could have sent police miles away. The internal investigation shows police would have been sent to a building right next to Brittany Zimmermann's apartment, and the dispatcher could have used the cell phone provider to look up Zimmermann's real address within five minutes.

Chief of Police Noble Wray said last Thursday it was too soon to know if sending police would have saved Brittany's life, but Falk says no way. "From what I know, I do not believe Brittany Zimmermann's death could have been prevented."

Falk has now called for an external investigation by the Association of Public Safety Communications Officials.

She also wants the 911 center's oversight board to examine their policies.

The dispatcher has requested and received a transfer to another county department. She could still face discipline.

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UPDATE Posted Tuesday, May 6 --- 4:45pm

MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- Dane County's top official says a better response to a 911 call from a college student before she was murdered still could not have saved her life.

County Executive Kathleen Falk apologized at a news conference for numerous errors employees made responding to the April 2 call from Brittany Zimmermann's cell phone.

But she says she does not believe the University of Wisconsin-Madison student's murder could have been prevented.

Falk says a county dispatcher inquired three times about whether an emergency existed but heard nothing before the call ended. She then failed to call the number back as required under department policy.

Falk says the call does contain sounds that have significance but they were not heard by the dispatcher.

Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.

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UPDATE Posted Tuesday, May 6 --- 4:10pm

The Press Conference by Dane County Executive Kathleen Falk is still underway.

However, she has already released several recommendations that she has made to the Director of the 911 Center:

- She requests that 911 administrators review current training and personnel qualifications.

- When an issue occurs about the sequence of several incoming phone calls in a short amount of time, 911 (administrators) should review as soon as possible all three sets of available records.

- With respect to the adequacy of existing technology, there is no fool proof ability to pinpoint where a cell phone call is originating. For land line phones, technology allows for accurate determination of the caller. With cell phone callers, the technology allows a location to be identified that may often be fairly precise but can on occasion range anywhere within a few miles of the actual caller.

- "Many people want a third party objective review of this situation and the overall performance of the 911 system. I think your report has identified the key concerns a review should consider. Please, as soon as possible, contact the Association of Public Safety Communication official (the national organization which sets the standards for 911 operations) and ask it to review this situation and the general performance of the 911 center."

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UPDATE Posted Tuesday, May 6 --- 2:10pm

Dane County Board Chair Scott McDonell Issued this Press Release today. (Many of these items were reported Monday, by NBC15 News)

McDonell announced several steps the County Board will be taking to follow-up on the 911 Center’s involvement in the Brittany Zimmermann case:

• There will be a joint meeting of the Public Protection and Judiciary Committee and the Personnel and Finance Committee at 5:30 p.m. in Room 201 of the City County Building this Thursday, May 8th, 2008.

Emergency Communications Center staff will provide details of their investigation to the committees, and be available to respond to questions from county board supervisors. All county board supervisors are allowed to attend.

Parts of the meeting may be conducted in closed session, if necessary, in order to allow discussion of specific personnel or disciplinary issues or issues related to potential litigation.. All supervisors are allowed to remain in the room but may not divulge any information shared in closed session.

Madison City Channel, which is available on many cable TV systems throughout the county, has indicated they will carry the meeting live, and it will also be streamed live on the Internet at www.mcc12.tv.

• The County’s internal investigation of the 911 call from Ms. Zimmermann’s cell phone requested by the Madison Police Department will be completed in the next few days, and will be made available as soon as possible.

• County Board staff will review a study that was completed in 2004 by MTG Management Consultants, a Seattle, Washington consultant, to determine if recommendations have been implemented and whether the county needs to bring in an additional experts to review current operations. The Executive Committee will consider whether further audit attention in needed in coming weeks.

“Everyone in county government regrets the outcome of Brittany Zimmermann’s phone call to the 911 Center, and we are taking immediate steps to ensure there will not be a repeat of this occurrence,” said McDonell. “The County Board will get a report from Emergency Communications Center director Joe Norwick Thursday night, and then we will review the findings of the internal investigation and the MTG study that was completed in 2004. We will then determine whether additional county board action is necessary.”

McDonell also assured Dane County residents that they should continue to have confidence that their calls to the 911 Center will result in the assistance they need. The Center handles approximately 442 calls per day - over 161,000 calls in 2007 - with great accuracy. “Our citizens rely on the fact that when they call 911 for help, the call will result in emergency assistance being dispatched within minutes,” McDonell noted. “They should continue to have confidence in the public safety communication system.”

The Brittany Zimmermann murder has brought to light the limitations of cell phone technology for pinpointing the location of a caller in an emergency. It is important that the public be aware of how to place a 911 call in general, as well as understand that calling 911 from a cell phone is not like calling from a landline. If possible, it is best to use a landline when calling the 911 Center because the address of the call can be precisely located. However, many now depend on cell phones and, in some cases, the location of these calls cannot be exactly pinpointed with the current 911 technology.

“It is critical that people know what to do if calling for help,” McDonell said. Specifically:

• When calling 911, a caller will be asked for the address of the emergency, a call-back number, his or her name, and a description of what happened.

• If calling from a cell phone, the 911 Center has offered these guidelines - Assume the person taking the 911 call does not know your location and be prepared to work with them to determine the most accurate location where help is needed. Be prepared to give your cell phone number or some other way of re-contacting you. If the call is disconnected or if you are otherwise uncertain you’ve secured help, call 911 again.

• Call 911 if you need a assistance, but do not program it as a speed dial number. This will cut down on the number of calls made to the 911 Center in error.

Additional information regarding the ongoing investigation into the Brittany Zimmermann case will be posted on the county’s website (www.countyofdane.com), and will be updated as new information becomes available.

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UPDATE POSTED: Monday, May 5 -- 9:30pm
REPORTER: Brock Bergey

Dane County's top leader says it's time to apologize to the Brittany Zimmermann family.

Kathleen Falk says she's sending letters to the murdered college student's family and fiance.

She's not making the letters public at this time. However, she tells NBC 15 they will express -- "heart-felt compassion".

Falk says the 9-1-1 center made a mistake the day of Brittany Zimmermann's murder.

Last week, we learned a county dispatcher received a call, from Zimmermann's cell phone, on April 2nd, the same day the 21-year-old was found murdered in her Doty Street home.

Records show the dispatcher eventually hung up on the call and failed to place a call back, as is protocol.

On Thursday, when the news broke, 9-1-1 director, Joe Norwick said, then, no apology was needed.

However, Falk says the county is ready to take some responsibility.

"The 9-1-1 director has just completed the first phase of his investigation," she says. "And, now, based on what I know, I think we need to apologize to the Zimmermann family and Brittany's fiance, so I have drafted apology letters."

Falk says the letters will be delivered, soon, through the district attorney's office.

In addition to the apologies, Falk tells NBC 15 she will announce directives to the 9-1-1 director and staff, on Tuesday, to ensure something like this doesn't happen again.

She wouldn't elaborate any further on what those directives might be.

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UPDATE Posted Monday, May 5 --- 4:35pm
By Zac Schultz

Madison: The 911 Center Director will testify in front of the County Board this Thursday

At issue; why a dispatcher hung up on Brittany Zimmermann's 911 call the day she was murdered.

Jack Martz has been a County Board Supervisor for six years.
He says he was blindsided last Thursday when he learned about Brittany Zimmermann's dropped 911 call. "I was totally surprised and quite frankly, flabbergasted."

That's why Martz and five other Supervisors wrote a letter asking for a special meeting so they could question Joe Norwick-the 911 Center Director. "I'm really interested in getting down to solving the problem. Getting the community back to feeling confident that if they call 911 something will happen," says Martz.

"The system has failed, and we have to find out why and what we're going to do to fix it," says Supervisor Dave Wiganowsky. He wants more than a hearing. "We want an external investigation in the department-or at least I do-to find out what went wrong."

Madison Police asked for an internal investigation April 2nd, the day Zimmermann was murdered. That was when they learned a dispatcher had hung up on Zimmermann's 911 call and ignored policy by not calling back.

Norwick met with the County Executive and the Board Chairman this afternoon, but he would not speak with media.

Board Chairman Scott McDonell says they asked about the investigation. "It's not quite complete, but it should be complete soon."

McDonell says they learned the dispatcher has changed jobs. "My understanding was that she requested a transfer. Given the circumstances that's not unreasonable."

The supervisors want to know what's taking so long. "I don't want to say that a month isn't long enough, but it sure appears to me that we should have had some answers," says Wiganowsky.

"If you haven't uncovered at least some of the issues that caused this problem in a month, then I'm wondering where you're looking," says Martz.

Thursday's County Board meeting with the 911 Center Director will take place at 5:30. McDonell says he's not sure if that internal investigation will be complete by then.

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UPDATE Posted Monday, May 5 --- 3:45pm

From NBC15's Zac Schultz:
NBC15 News has learned the internal investigation into the botched 911 call made by Brittany Zimmermann is nearly complete. Also today, one County Board Supervisor is calling for an external investigation.

It's been more than a month since a 911 dispatcher hung up on Brittany Zimmermann the day she was murdered in her Doty Street apartment.

Madison Police asked for an investigation at the beginning of April, and now the Chairman of the County Board says he hopes the investigation will be wrapped up this week.

Last Thursday Joe Norwick, the 911 Center Director, admitted a dispatcher hung up on Zimmermann's cell phone because she didn't hear anything, and the dispatcher ignored policy and failed to call the cell phone back.

Now Dave Wiganowsky, Dane County Board Supervisor, wants an external investigation into the whole matter.

Wiganowsky says: "The problem happened, but my concern is how we're going to fix it. We're a month out right now. They can still keep the investigation going, but what we need to know is do we need to put help on more right now? Do we need to do it right away? Is this going to happen again?"

Earlier today, six members of the board demanded the chairman call a special meeting so they can get some answers. Late this afternoon, the chairman announced that this Thursday at 5:30pm, the 911 center director will testify before the board.

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UPDATE Posted Saturday, May 3 -- 8:00am

The Wisconsin State Journal is reporting that the 911 dispatcher who mishandled a call from Brittany Zimmermann's cell phone the day of her murder has been transferred to another Dane County Job.

According to the Journal, officials confirmed the dispatcher was transferred soon after the day of the murder, even though 911 center director Joe Norwick said they remained on the job Thursday.

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UPDATE Posted Friday, May 2 --- 5:35pm

From The Associated Press:
MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- Dane County's chief executive says authorities mishandled a 911 call from the cell phone of a college student but she has confidence in her 911 chief.

County Executive Kathleen Falk says "the system didn't work like it should" when a dispatcher received the call from Brittany Zimmermann's phone on April 2.

The dispatcher eventually hung up on the caller, failed to call the number back and never sent a police officer to investigate. Zimmermann was found murdered in her apartment shortly after.

Madison Police Chief Noble Wray says the 911 call contained evidence that should have triggered a dispatch but county authorities have described it as a routine "hang-up" call.

Falk praised Joseph Norwick, director of the county's 911 center, as a skilled law enforcement official.

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UPDATE Posted Thursday, May 1 --- 8:53pm

"It just gets to the point where you're kind of numb you know? It's like it hurts but what can you do?" says Zimmermann's best friend, Jenna Krasselt.

Krasselt would have been her future sister in law. She wants to keep her memory alive and reminisces about the friend she once had.

"She is a person you know, keep her dreams and her hopes I mean all the good she would have done for this world."

Jenna Krasselt knew Brittany best and still finds her tragic death hard to believe.

"A month ago I was one of those people you know? It's like you read about people something tragic has happened to. You've seen it on the news obviously and it's just like until it happens to you it's just one of those people you know?"

Together with the help of several of Brittany's friends a scholarship fundraiser has been setup to keep Brittany's name alive while benefitting the life of someone else. Those who knew her feel that it's least they can do for a girl who touched their life.

"She's my best friend you know? In a time like this it's like I wish I could do more for her."

If you'd like to contribute you can send a check or money order to

Marshfield medical Center CU
Attn: Dollars For Brittany
302 West Upham St.
Marshfield, WI 54449
(715)387-8686

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UPDATE Posted Thursday, May 1 --- 6:00pm

Madison: The UW student murdered in her apartment last month called 911, but the dispatcher never sent police.

The dispatcher actually hung up on Brittany Zimmermann because they didn't hear anybody on the other end of the line.

Brittany Zimmermann's body was found by her boyfriend around 1 pm on April 2nd in their Doty St. apartment. Police have released few details surrounding her murder but Thursday they confirmed a 911 call was placed from Zimmermann's cell phone the day she was killed. "It would be accurate to state that there is evidence contained in the call which should have resulted in a Madison Police Officer being dispatched," says Police Chief Noble Wray.

But an officer was never sent. Police aren't releasing details like when the call was made, how long it lasted, or even whether anything could be heard.

Joe Norwick is the Director of the 911 Communications Center. "The dispatcher answered this call and inquired several times to determine whether an emergency existed on the other end of the phone, and received no answer to the inquiries."

Norwick says the dispatcher actually hung up on Zimmermann, because there were two other 911 calls waiting. Norwick says the dispatcher was ok to hang up but they should have called back. "Under current policy, if dispatchers a 911 call and either don't hear a voice on the other end of the call or unable to determine if there is an emergency the dispatcher calls the number back."

But even if the dispatcher had called back, police would not have been sent, because Zimmermann called from a cell phone. Only calls from a landline get an automatic police visit, because 911 technology still can't give an exact location for a cell phone. "The accuracy of determining the origin of cell phone calls may range from within a city block to several miles."

Police Chief Noble Wray says the callback doesn't matter, the first call should have been enough. "There was evidence from the call that an officer should have been sent."

Norwick won't identify the dispatcher, only saying they are a competent veteran with a good record. "And of course that person feels very concerned over what happened."

Despite the fact police had to notify the 911 center about the dropped call Norwick is not ready to apologize, either to the Zimmermann family or the public.

Chief Wray says he asked Norwick to conduct an internal investigation a month ago. Norwick says that investigation is still ongoing and the dispatcher has not been reprimanded.

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UPDATE Posted Thursday, May 1 --- 2:50pm

Official Press Release from Madison Police Department:

During the course of the investigation into the murder of Brittany Sue Zimmermann, Madison Police detectives were able to determine a 911 call for service was made from Zimmermann's phone to the Dane County 911 center on April 2nd, 2008. That day the MPD brought this call to the attention of the Dane County 911 Center. Also on this day, Command Staff from MPD requested that the 911 Center not release information pertaining to this call. The request for non-disclosure has been reviewed throughout the investigation and is currently in force.

The MPD investigation also revealed that this was not an accidental 911 call, it was not an intentionally erroneous call, nor was it a hang-up call.

To protect the integrity of the Zimmermann case the exact contents of the open-line 911 call cannot be revealed. It would be accurate to state that there is evidence contained in the call, which should have resulted in a Madison police officer being dispatched. That would have been consistent with both Madison Police Department Policy, and national 911 standards. The 911 center did not call back to the telephone number, MPD was not notified of the call, and no officer was sent.

Shortly after the homicide Madison Police Chief Noble Wray recommended that the Dane County 911 Center conduct an internal investigation into what happened with this 911 call.

The MPD has enjoyed a good working relationship with the Dane County 911 Center, and is committed to continuing that relationship as we look to uphold public trust and confidence in our law enforcement system.

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UPDATE Posted Thursday, May 1 --- 2:30pm

MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- Madison's police chief says an officer should have been dispatched to investigate a 911 call from a college student shortly before she was murdered.

Police Chief Noble Wray says the call from Brittany Zimmermann's cell phone contains evidence and should have been enough for a dispatcher to ask his department to send an officer.

He says the Dane County 911 Center never notified his agency and no officer was sent. He says he's concerned about the way the call was handled and asked for an internal investigation shortly after the April 2 murder of the University of Wisconsin-Madison student.

Zimmermann was murdered in her apartment while she was home alone. Police continue to search for her killer.

Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.

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Posted by: Stacy Location: Fort Atkinson on Jun 6, 2009 at 08:50 PM
Let me set something straight, my comments were not to take away blame from the actual killer who is at fault for committing such a horrible act, but to point out how desensitized we as people have become to make such cruel comments against a family that is in mourning. Unless you have had something this horrible happen to you, there is no reason to make such horrible comments. Shame on those who say this family is out for a pay day; shame on you! You have no idea how you would go about handling a situation such as this, no one does.It has been reported that the 911 center did not follow proper procedures, along with several things not being up to code. Yes, I am sure when the killer is caught the family will do all they can to make sure he/she never does this again,but for now, I bet in this family's mind,they are doing what they can to make sure things are FIXED and everything is done to make sure it never happens to another family.I hope the family doesn't read this blog, horrible.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 4, 2009 at 09:19 AM
Anonymous at 10:59 6/3, do you always do your job at 110%? I thought not. And do you know every single dispatcher at the 911 Center, 60 people, so that you just KNOW they don't do their jobs at the 110% level that you demand? I thought not. Sit in judgement on people you've never met or talked to when you have the same expectation of everyone else in the world, including yourself.

Posted by: D Location: Madison on Jun 3, 2009 at 05:13 PM
I like how Wray is tryin to blame it on the center. It was a joint problem just not the Communications center but also the MPD and buddy buddy falk and mayor mccheese. However a lawsuit wont bring her back they are just after money now which basically the general public of madison is gonna be paying for. They need to stop the lawsuit nonsense and move on for as hard as it is. Its terrible it happened but all the money in the world isnt gonna bring her back

Posted by: Michelle N. Location: DeMarshall on Jun 3, 2009 at 03:40 PM
So anytime any business hires a consultant, you all think they should follow the recommendations 100%? And if they don't, they should be sued and held accountable? Riiiiiight. That's all this lawsuit was about - the 911 center not implementing every last one of the recommendations in a 10-year plan (10 years is up in 2014). And I agree with JDM - the murderer committed this crime and has full responsibility. Why doesn't anyone realize that?

Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 3, 2009 at 03:14 PM
If it were not for this suit, nothing would have improved in the 911 center. Falk is lame at best.

Posted by: JDM Location: anon on Jun 3, 2009 at 11:28 AM
I have been reading some of the comments that have followed mine and they come off to me as ignorant. Why must be blame Falk, the operator, faulty equipment, the governer, the police department the fact is is that all of these did not kill Zimmerman. The only person to blame is the killer themselves. I dont understand what is so hard to understand here. Yes all of the things that I mentioned need improvement but I am talking about the case specifically. So what are we all going to do, play the blame game and point fingers at everyone because of what one person did and that was the killer? You guys all really need to grow up and think through some of the things that you say.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Madison on Jun 3, 2009 at 10:59 AM
That is an outrage. If Faulk is the County Exec, doesn't that make her responsible for the 911 center? why should she/they be exempt for being held accountable for their mess ups. That poor woman died horribly, and now the people who were hired to help protect her/us, did not do their job. What will have to happen before they do something. WAKE UP Ms County Exec, and either take responsibility for your employees, or hire some that do their jobs 110%.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 3, 2009 at 10:28 AM
This is not an injustice. I do not think Kathleen Falk is to blame because when she made the call she did not say anything. These people are just looking for a payday. I am sorry no amount of suing is going to bring her back, and it is going to deplete the resources for catching her killer. That should be their focus. Kathleen falk did not kill her, a murderer killed her. I am sick of hearing about this. Imagine if everytime someone called 911 and was killed if someone was sued.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 3, 2009 at 09:22 AM
"Falk and the operator cannot be sued individually because they were doing their jobs." This is so sad.. doctors are made to have malpractice insurance so they are covered while "doing their jobs" and a patient dies! But now this negligence is somehow different?? My heart goes out to the Zimmerman family and friends. I would have done the same thing had it been my love one lost in such a sensless way.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 3, 2009 at 08:36 AM
if the family wasn't bringing frivilous lawsuits against anyone and everything in Dane county, I might have some sympathy for them, but let it go and try to start healing

Posted by: Brad on Jun 2, 2009 at 08:12 PM
Oops meant Stacy, long day & lots of distractions - sorry!

Posted by: Brad on Jun 2, 2009 at 08:11 PM
"Falk and the operator cannot be sued individually because they were doing their jobs." - or not doing their job in this case. I'm with you Sandy - this whole thing is so sad, and the ruling is an injustice.

Posted by: Mary Location: Middleton on Jun 2, 2009 at 07:16 PM
I still think Falks ways of spending (farm & swam land) is to blame for the 911 errors. She should reconsider her spending habits and refocus Dane Counties spending habits...

Posted by: Sheila Location: Madison on Jun 2, 2009 at 06:35 PM
I worked for the county. They never take responsibility for anything! Just sweep all there dirt under the rug. There is common sense, and there is county sense. These officials don't care about Britney Zimmermans family. Let something happen to one of there family members everyone should stand, and take notice. To the Zimmerman family the county may not care, but there are everyday people like myself who can only imagine your pain. I wish the county would just stand up once, and take responsability for there wrong doings!

Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 2, 2009 at 04:52 PM
Appeal to a higher court!

Posted by: Stacy Location: Fort Atkinson on Jun 2, 2009 at 03:36 PM
Really? Are we that desensitized to things like this that we really don't understand why a family would go to such measures as to hold people accountable for their daughter's death? This is a tragedy and yes, nothing will bring their daughter back, but if the 9-1-1 center is really broken and members of the government were aware of it or never took the time to properly monitor the working order of the equipment etc.,to the point that something could have been done (which we will never know for sure), then yes us taxpayers should support any measures that needs to be taken in order to make sure this doesn't happen again to any of OUR family members. The only way that the family could make such a point is to sue for money, I am sure they could care less about it and it is not the point of payment but the only way things seem to ever get fixed through the government is if it directly effects their pocketbook. This family has suffered an ultimate loss you all would probably do the same.

Posted by: D Location: Madison on May 27, 2009 at 12:49 PM
God why must her parents and so called fiancee keep this up? No amount of $ is going to bring her back and they just keep reopening old wounds, its a bad thing that happened but they shouldnt profit at tax payers expense

Posted by: JDM Location: Madison on May 27, 2009 at 12:37 PM
This case is really becoming one of the most rediculous things that I have heard in awhile. They figured they will use their daughters case as a tool to get some money. What is bringing a law suit against dane county going to do, its not going to bring their daughter back. They probably think they could follow suit with what the Marino family did and try to get a slice of the pie. Families like this sicken me that they go to such extreme measures to make the law enforcement community look bad. So now they are trying to blame Kathleen Falk and the dispatcher for their daughters death, how can you do that? They had no control over the person that wanted to kill her. The only person to blame for her death is the killer themselves, thats it! Zimmerman family I am sorry for your loss but I think it is time for you guys to just move on and quit making such a big scene in the tabloids. Let the police do there jobs, and hopefully the case will get solved.

Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 2, 2009 at 01:54 PM
Why has this case been so politicized. I'm so sick of this crap. This was someone close to her that did this and the police have proof.

Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 2, 2009 at 01:30 PM
okay - enough of this case.I feel for the family and friends, but set them be, its been a year now so get on with life. If something comes up that is BIG, then you make let us know.

Posted by: AL on Apr 2, 2009 at 12:47 PM
I think everyone needs to step back and take a deep breath. Finger pointing is not going to solve this. The ONLY PERSONS at fault here is the coward or cowards who did this. Don't blame ANYONE ELSE! MPD does a fine job and if you think that Madison is such an unsafe place to live, then you really ought to get out of Madison more. YES unfortunate this happen and sad rediculous things too, but it happens EVERYWHERE.

Posted by: j Location: madison on Apr 2, 2009 at 12:07 PM
I hope her killer is brought to justice soon. I would also like to remind everyone that the murder of Kelly Nolan is still unsolved also. Please do not forget her.

Posted by: D on Apr 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM
My thoughts are with Brittany's family and friends on this day--the first anniversary of her death.

Posted by: tim Location: out of area on Apr 2, 2009 at 09:37 AM
Hey upsetcop, if you firmly believe that because people watch "law and order" or "coldcase" whatever, that they think they have some special insight? If thats the case it surprises me you would allow such nonsense to bother you to begin with. And one more thing, I would encourage a little extra butter on the popcorn please. Good grief dude!

Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 2, 2009 at 09:33 AM
excuse me upsetcop and upset nurse. By chance do you 2 know each other?

Posted by: tLh Location: madison on Apr 2, 2009 at 09:07 AM
Can we please move on???? When was the last time a UW student was 'remembered'to the extent they're remembering her? As Paul and others wrote - no matter if the call was lost or not, or whether the call back was made, the outcome would not have been any different. Sue the County ?? For what purpose?? Sue the operator??? As if she doens't pay everyday she wakes up and remembers and has to face the people she works with....And what's this that it's Falk's fault???? How in the world was that leap made??? Jeeezzz... let the poor woman and her family live in peace...

Posted by: UpsetCop on Apr 1, 2009 at 01:09 AM
Upset Nurse, I hope you're still reading this thread...I don't think you understand my post. My point is that I'm saying people who watch cop shows tell us how to go about our jobs, even though we (a majority of us) have four year degrees and also hundreds of continuing education hours as well. I don't see people at the hospital telling a nurse how to stick an IV, or take BP, or telling you how to hold a liver out of the way. My point was most of the people making comments towards the police have no idea what real police work is like and need to either stop watching Law and Order or they need to realize that's not how things work in the real world. This tragic case may take years to solve. That's the reality of how stuff works. To make crimes easy to solve, there's got to be tons of evidence and good, quality witnesses. Neither of which, by what I have read and heard in cop circles, this case has. So don't get your undies in a bundle, I wasn't bashing health care professionals.

Posted by: Anonymous on Mar 31, 2009 at 05:26 PM
I totally agree with unknown at 2:13,and I pray they find this killer

Posted by: Unknown Location: Madison on Mar 31, 2009 at 02:13 PM
I'm appalled by some of the comments and disrespect people have for all the family and people involved in this tragedy. I'm sure some of you would be doing the same thing (Like Suing) if you lost a loved one. You people are perfect examples of the America where people put themselves first. Let this family grieve in the way they know how. After all they lost a beautiful part of their family. Quit with the disrespect of their ways. God Bless the family

Posted by: J Location: Madison on Mar 31, 2009 at 01:19 PM
Her fiance didn't do this, it says "The State Crime Lab did isolate unknown DNA on Zimmermann's body." I think they would have tested the fiance's DNA.

Posted by: Anonymous on Mar 31, 2009 at 11:58 AM
I'm so tired of every story about her talking almost non-stop about the 911 center. Could we maybe have an update from the cops? What are they working on? How are they proceeding in their attempt to find the killer? Much as we would all like to blame this on the 911 dispatcher, the bottom line is that the dispatcher did not kill her. MPD needs to quit diverting attention away from themselves and take some responsibility for doing their jobs.

Posted by: Anonymous on Mar 31, 2009 at 11:07 AM
seriously leave the fiancee alone,it has been said numerous times that he was in class.Do you not think that he was the first person they looked at?

Posted by: Anonymous on Mar 28, 2009 at 06:37 PM
I agree this seems to be much more than a stranger killing. Way too much passion and overkill. Strangers want to get the job done and get out of there.

Posted by: Anonymous on Mar 27, 2009 at 03:16 PM
If this were me, I believe I would try to move on without suing everyone and everything.

Posted by: bob on Mar 26, 2009 at 04:51 PM
read about murder online.This young lady was victim of enraged passion. Badly beaten,strangled and then stabbed. Suggest they look at boyfriend again

Posted by: B on Mar 26, 2009 at 10:48 AM
I hope all of you who feel the family should just "move on" without resolution to their daughter's death are some day put into this same situation. Then we can all see how quickly you MOVE ON.

Posted by: Gary Location: Evansville on Mar 25, 2009 at 03:38 PM
D, I have to agree with ya on this one. I found it rather distubing that the fiance really did not seem upset at all during the phone call. I think they should bring him in for more questioning (if they have not done that yet). I know if it were me, and I found my partner dead, I would have been very much upset while on the phone. Something just does not seem right.

Posted by: D Location: Madison on Jan 14, 2009 at 02:57 PM
Anonymous at 12:14, I CANT AGREE WITH YOU MORE, it seems too tidy, he said he came in 45 minutes later to find her dead and then what i heard of the call via the news he didnt seem to be in shock or upset or anything. I think they need to look at him again personally. As i said before they are tryin to sue the county it will be dismissed just like the last one and i still dont blame the dispatcher, I feel something isnt being disclosed by the County and our Fearless DA BRAIN BLANCHARD, personally i cant stand that guy

Posted by: Anonymous on Jan 14, 2009 at 02:56 PM
Hard for the family to move forward when they are constantly looking backwards. Even if the call was handled perfectly their daughter is still dead. Hopefully the county doesn't cave and settle out of court.

Posted by: Anon Location: Madison on Jan 14, 2009 at 01:37 PM
I feel very much for the family considering I knew Joel Marino and his family so we went through the same thing. This family just needs to stop sueing everyone under the sun no matter what she is not coming back and probably would not have been saved. Do they understand how the county will have to pay out that money? Money that is needed to make the county 911 system better..GREAT IDEA(not)!With ever lawsuit do they know how much they are just tying up our justice system just so they can get a little bit of money. Whats the money going to do anyways? I think this people need to sit down and think it over again and reconsider their choices.

Posted by: Anon Location: Madison on Jan 14, 2009 at 01:34 PM
The family wont let it go. They are now in it for the money. I am sure they have not healed the wounds of losing a loved one, but it is blatant their motivation has now swithced gears, and they are all about getting rich. The fiance' shouldnt get a dime...they hadnt been married yet. What does he need to sue for...oh wait, to get rich. What they should do is lobby for a better system, more dispatchers, new equipment, a remodel of the center. Do things that will benifit the PUBLIC...but nope, they would rather better themselves.

Posted by: V Location: Deforest on Jan 14, 2009 at 12:59 PM
come on she is dead already nothing that the family does can do can bring her back. Let it go

Posted by: Howard Location: Madison on Jan 14, 2009 at 12:25 PM
How can the county be responsible? Tracking down a cell phone hang up is very difficult at best. It's not like it is on TV folks. Even if the police were sent to the general vicinity right away, there are literally hundreds of apartments in the area that would need to be checked. The only one responsible for Brittany's death is the person that killed her.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Madison on Jan 14, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Was the boyfriend/fiance ever a suspect in this case? What was his alibi (if there was one)? Thinking back on the case, even if the call had been "handled perfectly" by the dispatcher, there was still nothing that could have been done, right? Because they were never able to pinpoint an EXACT location of the flat she was killed in? So, even if police had been dispatched, it's safe to say it would have been too late, based on the violent nature of the attack and the time the call came in.

Posted by: K on Jan 14, 2009 at 10:16 AM
I can't imagine having to go through such a tragic event and losing a child. I do however feel that the family needs to move on and stop looking for ways to sue this person or that person. It is unfortunate that this happened but nothing the family is trying to do right now is going to bring their daughter back.

Posted by: kevin Location: madison on Jan 14, 2009 at 10:10 AM
"Show me the money..." First off the dispatcher is not to blame! Dane county is not at fault for her death. If successful the money will probably come out of the Sheriff's budget since FALK can't stand public safety. If any good comes out of this it'll be Falk losing her bid for re-election.

Posted by: amazed Location: dane county on Jan 14, 2009 at 09:39 AM
Sam, if you really wish to see someone be held accountable, help look for the murderer. That person is the only one who caused her death. Suing the county will do nothing but possibly put more money in their pockets, and absolutely take more from the tax payers of this county. It's the taxpayers that fund any government. Why should all the taxpayers "be held responsible" in this?

Posted by: Anon Location: Madison on Jan 14, 2009 at 08:34 AM
Awesome...sue for 52 million dollars...now where is that money going to come from??? Maybe the 911 budget. The parents and fiance are...well...I cant say. This is ridiculous. Just looking for a handout. Why dont you sue the land lord too. Get a life..it isnt going to bring your daughter back...but I guess living th "high" life will make things all better for you, wont it?

Posted by: Paul Location: Madison on Jan 14, 2009 at 08:29 AM
Suing the county is no more then trying to profit from thier daughters death. Yes there were mistakes made, but not returning a phone call isn't why she died.

Posted by: Anon Location: Madison on Jan 14, 2009 at 08:25 AM
Oh what a surprise....they are going after the county for money. Boy I didnt see that coming.....how pathetic. D, you are exactly right...very pathetic.

Posted by: Sam Location: Blue Mounds on Jan 14, 2009 at 08:15 AM
D, once again, you comments are so thoughtful towards the victims family. Had this been your loved one I am sure you would just sit back and shut up. I realize that they need to let the police do their job but someone has to be held responsible for the 911 call that was mishandled. It won't bring Brittany back but hopefully it will prevent this tragedy from happening to another family.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jan 14, 2009 at 06:26 AM
How sad and tragic. I cannot believe how calm he was on the tape. I only listened to a few seconds and I felt like I was invading on privacy.

Posted by: Jim Location: Madison on Jan 14, 2009 at 05:15 AM
I said it before, when they sued to get the tape released, and now I'll say it again, now that they are suing to fault the county, and how they sued the apartment management company before... these people are not going to stop until they have tried every avenue to get cash out of their daughter's death! I do, however, think they should sue the dispatcher- why their daughter, when she didn't mess up on any other call that day? if the equipment was bad, then it should have been bad the whole day, or for every call after the zimmerman call- not just that one call that the headset was a piece of trash so she couldn't hear the caller screaming. so sue the dispatcher, take your chances with the county, and be gone already!

Posted by: D Location: Madison on Jan 13, 2009 at 09:14 PM
Oh please now this is gettin to the point of being PATHETIC. It just shows her so called Fiancee and Family are just trying to capitalize on her death now. They need to shut up and let the legal system do its job. I can tell ya right now they wont see a dime of this lawsuit the county will win because of the money issue alone

Posted by: Anonymous on Jan 13, 2009 at 03:14 PM
I guess upset nurse thinks that rapists should go free. Darn cops and prosecutors, always wanting evidence.

Posted by: anonymous Location: madison on Jan 12, 2009 at 02:41 PM
Nurse: What are you spouting off about? Having to do your job? I also am a RN and do not find my profession to be any more important than that of a peace officer or EMT or Fire fighter. We are all in the service of helping the community. If that irrates you, maybe you should find another profession that does not have such high demands on you mentally as well as physically. And like it or not, when a victim is brought into the E.R. for treatment of rape, it is YOUR responsibility to do the swab and do it correctly to aid and assist law enforcement. Jeez, some people!

Posted by: Anonymous on Jan 12, 2009 at 11:04 AM
Wow Nurse, what is your problem? How did you decide to turn this thread into "my job is harder than yours nah nah nah"? Cops shouldn't arrest abusers because YOU have to treat the victim? You need to get yourself a new job.

Posted by: anonymous Location: madison on Jan 12, 2009 at 08:20 AM
I have to agree with the response that he seems awful calm for a person who has just found his fiance murdered.

Posted by: Upset Nurse Location: Wisconsin on Jan 11, 2009 at 10:58 PM
Oh, look! I visited the site and didn't listen to the tape, and still lived long enough to type a blog response! So, I guess it won't end anybody's life to not be able to listen to the tapes! Get over it! Hey, Upset Cop- I have a 4 year nursing degree, and continuing education credits numbering in the hundreds of hours. I spend 12 hours taking care of people who have been stabbed, shot, slipped on ice, are giving birth, have been in accidents... so why not be a little more courteous to MY profession when you go on your rant, huh? Want to switch jobs someday? Want to be arm deep in someone's abdomen while a surgeon is trying to sew them back up, instead of sitting in a car clocking speeders, or taking shoplifter calls? ever wonder who treats all those battered people once you haul the abuser off to jail? Ever have to physically violate a rape victim with a swab to gather evidence in a rape case? I have. They've already been victimized, and now I have to violate them to get YOUR evidence

Posted by: Anonymous on Jan 10, 2009 at 07:41 PM
Please do not judge Jordan unless you have been in his position. I feel that it was in poor taste to release this recording.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jan 10, 2009 at 06:55 PM
I think that they shoud, have edited out Jordans phone number.

Posted by: Think about it..... on Jan 10, 2009 at 06:06 PM
Regarding the comment from anonymous at 3:15pm on 1/9, I agree...of course the tape was enhanced. What responsible police department wouldn't take it to the crime lab (or wherever) for audio enhancement? What I don't get is why MPD needs to throw this dispatcher under the bus instead of saying "As part of a thorough investigation, we realized that there might be some sounds on this tape that the dispatcher didn't hear. So to determine if the tape had evidentiary/investigative value, we took it to X and had it digitally enhanced. We then heard the scream and sounds of a struggle, and that has helped our investigation."

Posted by: Anonymous on Jan 9, 2009 at 07:40 PM
cop friend, explain how the dispatcher botched the investigation. Last time I checked dispatcher's aren't responsible for crime investigation.

Posted by: Anon Location: Madison on Jan 9, 2009 at 04:56 PM
It's really time for Falk to go. She's done enough damage to the public safety system of Dane County. It's not too long ago the 911 center was told to hire more staff which she did not do. However, she did find the money to buy SWAMP land and brag about it..... C'mon and give me a break.

Posted by: UpsetCop on Jan 9, 2009 at 04:00 PM
I wonder if these people tell their doctors how to do surgery too? A good majority of TV shows are either about doctors of police (for those of you who post comments showing you really know nothing, detectives are police too). I figure with how much I get told to do my job, its probably because everyone has the same 4 year degree that I have, the same L.E. academy, the same field training expereince, and the same solo patrol expereince that I have just from watching about 200 hours of cops. SO that makes me think that by watching about 200 hours of E.R., Grey's Anatomy, House, etc. you all know how to take out a kidney, a heart, do quadruple bipass surgery, and of course how to stop a baby from crying. I just really want to say good luck to those of you who are so far gone from reality that you can't imagine what the real world is like. For those of you showing your support for this wonderful dispatcher, thank you. She truly excelled at her career and was failed by adminstrators.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jan 9, 2009 at 03:51 PM
After having listened to actual 911 tapes from the call center in Dane County before, I can tell you even this tape has been digitally enhanced. A majority of the tapes are much more scratchy than this. You can bet the tape the detectives got to listen to was digitally enhanced as well.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Madison on Jan 9, 2009 at 03:41 PM
Wow...anyone else think this guy is pretty calm for having just found his girlfriend in the condition she was in? He sounds angry and annoyed with the dispatcher...not like someone pleading for help.

Posted by: cop friend Location: Madison on Jan 9, 2009 at 02:13 PM
I used to dispatch Police, Fire & EMS. Not at Dane Co though. In the agency I worked for an error of this magnitude from a dispatcher would have cost the dispatcher their job. This person should take her 3-day suspension and consider herself lucky! Law Enforcement & EMS folks, to include dispatchers, are held to higher expectations and standards of conduct. I hope the appeal fails. 3 days without pay in exchange for a botched call and botched investigation. Its a slap on the wrist!

Posted by: Concerned Location: Madison on Jan 9, 2009 at 02:02 PM
After listening to the edited 911 call, it is quite obvious that the cell phone connection was far less than perfect.That may have played into the fact that the dispatcher never heard anything. Also, people, when you call 911, answer the dispatchers questions...dont argue or question the calltaker like this guy did. Dispatchers use a very modern EMD dispatch system, that requires them to ask certain questions to get YOU the appropriate help. In this case there were numerous times the calltaker had to repeat herself more than once or twice, and in turn delayed the dispatch of emergency personel. I can understand he was upset, but questions need to be asked...and you have to be prepared to give the answers.

Posted by: Anonymous on Jan 8, 2009 at 08:00 PM
Cecelia, you can bet that if Gahagan had a kid who committed a crime, the media would be all over that and it would be portrayed as all her fault. The Chief got a pass that no one else would get.

Posted by: Concerned Location: Madison on Jan 6, 2009 at 09:16 AM
I am sure that Falk will get very few votes from anyone in public service. There is so much finger pointing going on here, that we have lost sight of the case. Unless you have sat at the dispatch console, and taken and dispatched calls, you have no idea what you are talking about. It is very easy to be a monday moring quarterback, and I urge all the people on here that have had negative comments about the dispatcher..aplly for the Comm Center when they hire..I guarantee you dont make it 2 months past getting on the floor. It is much harder than anyone thinks...but its easy for everyone to sit at there desk, sip coffee, and rip our dispatchers apart. I hope that the appeal goes through, and she wins. And I know that all the people on here, at one point WILL RELY on our dispatchers...just remember that even after all your rude comments, they will still ALWAYS answer the call for you.

Posted by: Cecelia Location: Madison on Dec 30, 2008 at 09:23 PM
D- so, because the police chief's kid did wrong, the chief should be fired? What kind of logic is that? Do we throw you in jail for crimes you, or your family commited? The chief's son is an adult, and responsible for his own actions, but to blame the father for the sins of the child? WOW! that's messed up! That being the case, I bet they'll be showing up at the home of the parents of that lawmaker from Bloomer to arrest them for his drunk driving arrest, right? I mean, after all, it was their kid that commited the crime, so they should pay, right? By the way... why should I, as a citizen of Madison, have to lose my police chief because his son made a mistake? Suppose you are unhappy with the speed in which he solved that whole Adam peterson crime too? Or the Audrey Seiler snafu? or the tracking down of the speranza woman who hit that person on sherman avenue and fled the scene while the person died? suppose all those crimes being solved by "His" department don't mean scratch, huh?

Posted by: anon Location: madison on Dec 28, 2008 at 11:40 AM
Maybe FALK should be suspended without pay for failing to staff the 911 center with the needed amount of dispatchers... I urge everyone reading this to NOT VOTE FOR FALK.

Posted by: D Location: Madison on Dec 27, 2008 at 12:33 PM
Irritated in Ft Atkinson, I cant agree with you more right away people blame the dispatcher, lets face it its unfortunate it happened but people have to realize the volume of calls that go to the 911 center and as ya said on a cellphone esp. I myself think its just a blame game between Dane co and the MPD, As i said i think they both loused up and wray needs to be removed esp after his kid was arrested in Milw or Chicago for theft

Posted by: Harold Location: Marshall on Dec 26, 2008 at 07:22 PM
I wonder if Topf Wells or Kathleen have EVER been in a position where they have had to make a snap decision with life or death consequences? Most people I know who have been are pretty shy about bringing the hammer down on the hapless "culprit"...Sort of a "there but for the grace of God, Allah, Vishnu etc. go I" motif. Throw in a couple of Politico's and an ambulance chaser or three and awaaay we go...Lashings will continue until morale improves..

Posted by: Irritated.. Location: Fort Atkinson on Dec 9, 2008 at 12:20 AM
After being involved with law enforcement in many ways over many years, it never ceases to amaze me how much people "know" about how things work, either with or without any real understanding of the job OR circumstances. As 'One who knows' stated, a cell phone is one of the most inaccurate and inefficient ways to get help unless the call has an extended duration. A 20-mile radius is just that, 20 miles in any direction, meaning a diameter of 40 miles. C'mon people...Everyone is making judgements based on the media's reporting of the situation. We weren't there, we aren't completely in the loop (understandably) and we obviously don't have enough information to pass judgement on any of the parties involved. Let the folks that have the information do their jobs and work to solve this.

Posted by: Not impressed with journalism on Dec 8, 2008 at 11:48 AM
Gee, I wonder if the media will EVER investigate the enhancement of this tape. I'm pretty sure MPD took it to company(s) that specialize in audio enhancement - what reputable police department wouldn't? But I guess it's just easier to villify the calltaker than to try to INVESTIGATE why detectives are hearing something completely different than the calltaker did. Who, what, where, when and WHY!!!!!!

Posted by: D Location: Madison on Dec 7, 2008 at 02:11 PM
It makes me laugh that our fearless mpd chief is tryin to shift the entire burden on the dispatch center. As i see it it Both 911 Dispatch AND MPD screwed up major time

Posted by: Renee Location: Madison on Dec 6, 2008 at 05:57 PM
Stephanie-I agree that the job is high stress, but they have procedure they must follow. She did not follow up on the call as procedure mandates. Therefore she wasn't doing her job. If employees are incapable or unwilling to do their jobs usually they are fired. You also say if she followed that procedure "chances are it would not have gotten anywhere". I implore you to look into the eyes of Brittany's parents and tell them "chances are" their daughter should have made more noise so that MAYBE someone would have sent help. Had someone been dispatched immediately - her attacker may have been noticed in the area and her murder solved by now. Get your head out of the sand and into reality and stop using speculation to defend an employee who in any other work environment would have been fired on the spot. If you want to spread some compassion around - try spreading some in the direction of this family, victimized not only by senseless violence but by a system that failed them.

Posted by: Katie on Dec 6, 2008 at 03:35 PM
I completely agree with anon at 1:47pm Press only care about telling a story, not people and what damage it could do.

Posted by: anon Location: madison on Dec 5, 2008 at 01:47 PM
First off, shame on the press for releasing the warrants. Yes this could be very damaging to the investigation. Maybe MPD screwed up and forgot to seal them, but for the press to do this. I the press is below bottom feeders!

Posted by: One who knows.... on Dec 5, 2008 at 01:25 PM
Sorry, typo in my last..I meant Lake Monona, not Mendota.

Posted by: One who knows.... on Dec 4, 2008 at 07:45 PM
and continuing...it is possible to subpoena cell subscriber's name/address from the cell phone company. But it's a subpeona, and there has to be a proven emergency in order to make this request. (I'm sure none of you would want your cell phone company to release your personal information just because your cell called 911 while scrinching around in your pocket.) Remember, in this case the dispatcher, for whatever reason, did not hear the screams or struggle that are supposed to be there (too far in the background in a noisy environment?) So there was no reason to subpoena the phone records. And even if they had...they would most likely have gotten Brittany's parent's address in Marshfield, had a cop go over there, then to their jobs, etc. to find out where Brittany lived in Madison. That could have taken hours (sometimes cell companies take hours to provide the info), and she still would have been dead. You all need to understand the REALITY of cell 911 calls, and this is it.

Posted by: One who knows..... on Dec 4, 2008 at 07:37 PM
OK, let's go over this one more time and this time LISTEN. When a cell call is received in the 911 center, if the connection is for a very short time 911 will only get the tower used for the call. The actual location of the cell phone can be up to 20 miles away from the tower; for example, calls from the Town of Dunn across Lake Mendota often bounce off the 333 W. Dayton tower. If the connection is longer and GPS on the phone is activated, 911 does get a more precise location, but even that could mean the cell phone is in a 5 block radius of the coordinates. So if there's a 911 call, and no one speaks, it IS a crapshoot to accurately figure out where that call is coming from. Insist all you want that 911 and the police "know" where every call is coming from, but they don't. It would be better and safer if people believed the truth about this topic, instead of hype and what their friend said.

Posted by: noel Location: madison on Dec 4, 2008 at 01:31 PM
Stephanie: Please tell me where in my comments that I am showing hatred? I am mearly pointing out that this operator failed to do her job. You are trying to paint a picture that she was all innocent and pearly white in this, and she is not. Once again, SHE FAILED TO DO HER JOB! You stated "cell phones cannot be traced" which is a false statement as pointed out to you before. Stop making excuses for a woman who did not do her job. And I agree with madison, if it were your loved one, would you be saying the same stuff, knowing this operator received a call and totally dropped the ball? Oops, I mean forgot about the call (give me a break). So what you are saying is just because the area could potentially be vast, that it is justified (regarding cell pings)? I really hope you are NOT an operator and you answer my cell phone call if I should ever need the help.

Posted by: Stephanie Location: Madison on Dec 4, 2008 at 12:30 PM
Noel: What a simplistic view of life you must hold. Instead of being eager to spread more discord and hatred try to take a moment and experience some compassion. Certainly cell phones can be traced, never said they couldn't. What *was* said was that they cannot give an exact location. Most cell phones only have the ability to be have a 'ping' to them in regards to what cell towers they are using and/or closest to. You have any idea of the kind of area that includes or better yet the time it takes to do that? Certainly, in a perfect world all of those maybes would have lined up to the ideal outcome. However, the world we live in is FAR from perfect and it just is far from likely to have had any affect whatsoever on the outcome.

Posted by: Madison Location: Madison on Dec 4, 2008 at 12:16 PM
The way it sounds is maybe Stephanie IS a 911 Operator. It seems you are really trying hard to defend the 911 operator. There is no defense and if you had a loved one lost in this way, you may feel differently. To me, it doesn't matter the outcome now, she is gone but that 911 Operator should be fired and charged. When are we going to stop making excuses for people's behavior. Do your job. We all have stresses and still have to do our job or get fired. No difference here only someone lost their life, not just a job. I'm saddened over having this info released when I think of the family. What a horrible spot to be in. May Brittany rest in peace.

Posted by: Katie Location: WI on Dec 4, 2008 at 11:21 AM
I just have to say, yes it is sad there was no help sent, but thats because it couldn't be! We all (should) know a cell phone doesn't bring up your location, and if she was already in a struggle she would have already been dead by the time police got there even if they were sent. Lay off the 911 worker. Let's keep our blame where it should be, on the killer!! Our society likes to blame someone for everything, and if they can't find the one really responsible (the killer) we like to move on to someone else (911 operator). I think that is just sad! I hope they can crack this case soon so we can get to blaming the person who is really responsible for this mess, and get justice for Brittany and her family.

Posted by: noel Location: madison on Dec 4, 2008 at 10:25 AM
Stephanie: Everyone has made mistakes in their lives. I have to tell you, your thought process is way out of whack. So what, the operators go through stress. If they cannot handle the stressful job, they need to step down and find another place to work. Using that as an excuse to not do their jobs properly is idiotic at best! People, when calling this center, are looking for help and assistance. Not to be ignored and forgotten by the very people they are reaching out to. YES, the operator should be crucified over this as she DID NOT DO HER JOB!!! Also, if you do not like the way NBC 15 is handling their posts, please do not read them. Actually, cell phones CAN be traced, although the exact location can not be determined, they do have "pings" that will put authorities in a general area. And maybe, just maybe, if procedures would have been followed, we would not be here now having this discussion.

Posted by: Stephanie Location: Madison on Dec 4, 2008 at 07:13 AM
Hey NBC: How about you run a story that could actually help save some people from running into this same type of situation, help inform people that calls made from cell phones (and any other lines not the traditional "ma bell" lines) cannot be traced and have the police dispatched to the exact location the call was made from. Instead you continue to stir up the sensationalized idea that the police were not sent in this case when they should have been. Unless Ms. Zimmermann was able to give a clear address to the dispatcher before the call was disconnected, there would have been NOWHERE to send the police to! The way the station (and its representatives) keep failing to mention that is downright sickening, in my opinion! Help (potentially) save some lives instead of only creating animosity with misleading statements.

Posted by: Stephanie Location: Madison on Dec 4, 2008 at 07:07 AM
Anonymous (12/3/2008 @ 2:57): I am sure you are holding yourself to such high standards in your life as well and for every mistake you have ever (or will ever) make you are expecting to have the same (or worse) happen to yourself. The fact is that 911 operators put themselves through emotional turmoil on multiple times EVERY single shift they work. They handle hundreds of calls and save countless lives. They deal with hundreds of idjits prank calling, people accidentally calling, and hundreds of calls where nothing can really be heard. Yet they are still human, and humans make mistakes. In this case we will never know what this mistake may have meant. Realistically though, odds are pretty good that a call back would not have gotten anywhere. Certainly this dispatcher should not be crucified over this! Personally, I hope that you, "Anonymous" are treated with compassion and understanding for your past mistakes and your future ones!

Posted by: Anonymous on Dec 3, 2008 at 04:40 PM
Um yeah Angry? The family is participating in the lawsuit to get the tape released. They want the details and of course are aware it will be in the newspaper.

Posted by: Angry Location: Madison on Dec 3, 2008 at 03:16 PM
As a recent victim of a violent crime, I find it very disturbing that you would run this information on your website. It must have been terrible for the family to find the details of the last moments of their beloved printed in the newspaper for the first time and then YOU run it again. It was not intended to be public domain so you should have left it alone. Shame on you for not thinking of the family on this one. It isn't all about getting the "best story" observe some privacy and time for grief...PLEASE.

Posted by: Anonymous on Dec 3, 2008 at 02:57 PM
It was the 911 operator's job to call back. She did not do that. No one knows what "might" have happened if she had done her job. It might have made a difference. Maybe someday that woman (the 911 operator)will call for help and someone will hang up on her.

Posted by: jon Location: madison on Dec 3, 2008 at 11:08 AM
Mickey, how do you know about the tape? That nothing was heard BEFORE it was "cleaned up"? You talk like you are privy to information. Tell us all so we will know everything

Posted by: Mickey on Dec 3, 2008 at 09:45 AM
To be accurate Stephanie, there were screams and a struggle "heard" by detectives in a quiet room on a cleaned-up tape, like George said at 10:49pm. The dispatcher didn't hear anything, which is exactly why I agree with you that he/she is not the villain here. Brittany would NOT have answered the phone if the dispatcher had called back, since murderers don't usually stop what they're doing to let their victim talk on the phone.

Posted by: Stephanie Location: Madison on Dec 3, 2008 at 06:26 AM
The whole situation is definitely horrible. However, just where exactly was the dispatcher to send the police to?! From what is reported--now--there were screams and a struggle heard. How does that give a location to send the police to? It doesn't. Considering the fact that the call was made via a cellphone and not a traditional landline phone, there was no way for them to trace the call to an address either. My understanding is that a call back on a disconnected phone call is the norm, however, realistically the odds are that it would have been too late even if the dispatcher had called back. The situation is heartbreaking all the way around. To now try to make the dispatcher out to be a villian is wrong!

Posted by: Anonymous on Dec 3, 2008 at 06:24 AM
why does this case get ALL the attention, what about the other 6 or so unsolved murders this past year?

Posted by: Bruce Location: Madison on Dec 3, 2008 at 04:15 AM
"Jeffrey Ball was arrested the night of Zimmermann's murder just a few blocks away. He was in a woman's bathroom in an apartment complex and threatened officers. He had a knife with blood on it, and a history of violence." My guess is they found some DNA on Zimmermann that did not nmatch Ball. Allowing our chief to set the muderer free. :(

Posted by: George Glass on Dec 2, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Let's all remember that the dispatcher gets ONE chance for a few seconds to strain to hear something in the background of a 911 call, in a busy loud communications center. The detectives get a pristine tape (no static, no interference) that they listen to in a pin-drop quiet room. Over and over and over they get to listen to it.

Posted by: Anonymous on Dec 2, 2008 at 10:19 PM
We dont need to listen to it to know whats on it.And this is a big deal,911 is supposed to help people thats what its there for! And if someone is screwing it up it should be taken seriously.And maybe people dont want to move on,this was someone's daughter,we want this killer caught! She was a person,and we should all care about what happened to her it shouldn't of happened and maybe just maybe if people had been doing there jobs someone,would be able to see there baby for christmas.and yes we do have the right to judge we use our tax money to pay for this.

Posted by: Dave Location: Madison on Dec 2, 2008 at 09:49 PM
Anon at 8:24... I couldn't agree with you more!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous on Dec 2, 2008 at 08:24 PM
I'm curious to know, have any of you PERSONALLY listened to this 911 call? Or is everyone going to make assumptions based on what you read in a very one sided media blitz? I really hope they do release the tape, and don't edit it, dont' "clean" up the quality, or do anything to it. I think everyone should be able to hear the tape, with no modifications before we go out a hang this dispatcher. I just find it so funny that Madison is seeking so much blood from this dispatcher, yet in a similar circumstance, where a nurse made just as bad, if not worse, an error that took the life of a 16 year old girl, Madison protested the woman being charged with anything. The nurse that killed the 16 year old by giving the wrong type is no different than a dispatcher not hearing the right thing. Grow up Madison! Move on! People do make mistakes and sometimes, in high pressure jobs, people die because of them. In a majority of your jobs, a mistake equals a papercut. You have no right to judge.

Posted by: Anon on Dec 2, 2008 at 08:23 PM
Do not use this board to bash each other! It makes you sound ignorant!

Posted by: Anonymous on Dec 2, 2008 at 05:38 PM
The fiancee had nothing to do it with and everyone else including her parents and the police seem to know this,everything ive seen indicates that he was wonderful to her,and i cannot imagine going through what he's going through leave him alone! Do people need to be together 24-7,im sure he was the first person they checked out and he was cleared!

Posted by: Shorty Location: Madison on Dec 2, 2008 at 03:59 PM
what cracks me up is views like Mike's below... sure buddy, the director was responsible, you betcha! I sure hope someday one of the employees under you screws up, and you get blamed! the former director didn't mishandle the call... a 20 year veteran of the 911 center did! get that part straight! put the responsibility where it is, not where you feel it is just convenient to make your case! you'll also notice, the dispatcher who fumbled the call left in April... so if it was the director's fault, why did the dispatcher take off so quickly, and why did the director stick around for press conferences, public meetings, etc? funny how nobody in the general public even knows the dispatcher's name, the one who never called back after hearing a woman screaming for her life, nor did the dispatcher come forward when the director made that statement to call him a liar over what was really on the tape! yes, kind of sounds like the dispatcher was hoping the tape would never come to light.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Madison on Dec 2, 2008 at 03:51 PM
Oh, get over it Joe. As I am sure you have heard before, this is a message board and people will comment if they want to. NBC 15, leave the board up! I think it is good for people to express their opinions, even though I may or may NOT agree.

Posted by: Tlh Location: Madison on Dec 2, 2008 at 03:44 PM
Maybe those who decry how awful the 911 system here is should take into consideration the thousands upon thousands of calls that are successfully completed in that office. YES, this was a horrible occurrence - the staffer left, the supervisor left, what else do you think can happen to make this right??? I'm sorry but there isn't anything that will bring her back. Steps are being taken and changes made to make the 911 dept better than it has ever been... Unless you've never made a mistake that negatively affected someone/thing, stop trying to place blame. Blaming won't change the fact that BZ died... I'm so sorry, but it won't. And the thought that "the boyfriend did it"??? Just another knee-jerk reaction for trying to find someone to blame. I wish the 911 center could open up for "public viewing" so all of you could see how hard these people work every single day to sort through the non-serious and serious calls received there on a daily basis...

Posted by: Joseph on Dec 2, 2008 at 03:19 PM
NBC 15. I think its time you delete this string of comments. They have become irrelevant to the issue and have degenerated to people mud slinging and name calling each other. It serves no purpose and is an embarrasmement to your station.

Posted by: college student at UW Location: Madison on Dec 2, 2008 at 02:15 PM
Anon at 9:33AM, you clearly don't understand how class schedules work. Students are constantly in and out of their houses, apts. SO WHAT that he came 48 mins later! You HONESTLY think that because it was her fiance they need to be together 24/7. That is impossible! MAYBE YOU DON'T, but other people have lives outside of their significant other! Could have been coming home for lunch? They said they quickly ruled him out, therefore there is evidence he was somewhere else during that time period. GET A LIFE!! This poor guy found his girlfriend in a horrible way, and you are going to sit there and suspect him. I'm pretty sure if it was him, they would have figured it out by now! GENIUS!

Posted by: Kimberly Location: Madison on Dec 2, 2008 at 11:50 AM
Anon at 9:33 AM, what you wrote is ridiculous. Let's see, it is 11:50 AM and I am not with my fiance and will not be until 6pm tonight! Great comeback "Some People Need a Life"

Posted by: Anon Location: Madison on Dec 2, 2008 at 11:46 AM
To Some People who need a life: I am very serious about this its just too neat why would he come in that soon after it happened?? DUH

Posted by: Some People Need a Life Location: Madison on Dec 2, 2008 at 10:42 AM
Anon at 9:33 AM, are you serious? "so-called" fiance? I've never heard of such a thing. And did you spend 24/7 with your fiance? How unusual that they were not together at 12:30 in the afternoon when she's a college student coming from class. Nice work, Detective!

Posted by: Anonymous on Dec 2, 2008 at 10:19 AM
my god this is sick. i really feel for the family. glad the county has decided to re do there whole 911 program so another tragedy dose not happen. and i agree with mike below that old director was a complete incompetent fool.

Posted by: Mike Location: Madison on Dec 2, 2008 at 10:02 AM
So let’s get this straight, several months ago the 911 director said at a news conference that they have “nothing to apologize for” and that there was nothing on that tape. Today we find out that, in fact, there were screams and a struggle heard. He’s lucky he quit and ran out of there with his tail between his legs when he did, because this is shameful and exposes what a cheat and a liar he is!

Posted by: Anon Location: Madison on Dec 2, 2008 at 09:33 AM
I think personally they need to go after her so called Fiancee. It just seems to neat. Why would be come 48 minutes and find her dead after the call? And Why if they were Engaged was she here alone? Something isnt adding up

Posted by: jon Location: madison on Dec 2, 2008 at 08:24 AM
So they released the 911 call and there was signs of a struggle and screams heard on the tape before the call was cut off. Hmmm, so how many of you 911 defenders are going to say this program works? It is by far one of the most inept programs out there that we the tax payers fund. This whole center needs an overhaul starting at the top and ending with the janitor. If the people there do not want to follow protocol, get rid of them! Procedures are set in place for a reason and must be followed, no matter how "stressful" and "busy" you all are. Big problem in this country now, nobody wants to take responsibility for their acti0ons, or in this case, lack of action. And you know what, if the job is too much for you employee's, remember, people are counting on you for help, and if you cannot give them the help they need, FIND ANOTHER JOB!!!

Posted by: Anonymous on Dec 2, 2008 at 06:24 AM
Nov 15 at 12:37am, what is "ruth" and what are you talking about...911 in Michigan? How does that have anything to do with what's going on in Madison?

Posted by: S. Nguyen Location: Gaylord, MI on Nov 16, 2008 at 12:37 AM
Two times I called 911 in this area, two time I got cut off. People works there seems lazy, and always have bad days or something. They were ruth, did not want to listen what happen, they do all the talk, they ruthly hung up on me. I have never been disapointed like this in my life with 911 sevice. I always respect police officers, but I hate calling 911. I lost my trust with this station. I am sure I talked to the same women, same voice , same attitude. it was so distinct "ruth" that I cannot foget that voice. Why is she there if she doesn't want to help. If she had problem then go home, don't put on people who need help.

Posted by: Anonymous on May 25, 2008 at 11:47 PM
this is the one time they were caught not handleing it right how many times weren't they

Posted by: Schmitty on May 15, 2008 at 03:33 PM
"interesting", are you dense? That was my point. Innumerable posts on this very site have called 911 Center "the most useless", not to mention lazy, incompetent, etc. Yet they still sent the fire department!!! And from reading other current articles, they're still sending the police too!!!

Posted by: Anonymous on May 15, 2008 at 12:54 PM
I find it astounding that people and me included are still commenting. Who cares about dispatch and everything. Just for once can't the detectives surprise the community with an arrest? And the (right person/ people)in this case as well as the others. this is unbelievable. Oh I'm sorry, I almost forgot , Hey anon. If you can do a better job why don't you apply at the police dept.

Posted by: jj Location: sp on May 14, 2008 at 09:23 PM
I never slammed dispatch and I don't think it is her fault. However, this is NOT how they usually handle these kind of things. I am a former leo so I know what I'm talking about.

Posted by: Interesting on May 14, 2008 at 09:18 PM
Posted by: Schmitty on May 9, 2008 at 03:45 PM I hope no one here plans to ever call the "most useless 911 center." Ryan Brothers and Curtis are there if you have a medical emergency, JBM Security can handle anything you might need a police for, and if your house is on fire...hmmm I don't know who you're going to call. The most useless 911 center has NEVER once sent fire trucks to a fire, yes, because they are useless. I reply to Mr Schmitty here, ah who do you think everyone called when the frat house was on fire the other night? Glad you know the facts.

Posted by: scott Location: marshall on May 14, 2008 at 07:32 PM
None of these comments are going to solve the crime. Those of you crying out there, how many will be at the meeting on monday? This should be good.

Posted by: Greg P. on May 14, 2008 at 03:52 PM
I love how there will be a public hearing where everyone,including the user agencies, can slam dispatch. When is it the dispatcher's turn to speak? When do we get to slam the MPD, who are no treat to work with on the radio. And Carol? Yeah. Call Mike's Towing when your house is on fire or your husband stops breathing. That's a good solution and it's good that you shared that solution with the nbc15.com reading public.

Posted by: Anonymous on May 14, 2008 at 02:47 PM
I DON'T think it REALLY matter WHO the dispatcher was. I'm sure she feels bad enough with out having her name plasted all over the media. Also SLAMMING the 911 service is NOT RIGHT!!!! Hope you all who do the slamming NEVER need help!!!!

Posted by: jj Location: sp on May 10, 2008 at 09:45 PM
It will be very interesting to see who this dispatcher is. She is obviously a favorite, or somebody's wife or something. Otherwise, they would've thrown her to the wolves to get the press of the Dept's back. I would think under public record, they would HAVE to release her name.

Posted by: CAROL Location: Madison on May 10, 2008 at 06:23 PM
If you really need help call MIKES TOWING they will be there faster than the police!

Posted by: Schmitty on May 9, 2008 at 03:45 PM
I hope no one here plans to ever call the "most useless 911 center." Ryan Brothers and Curtis are there if you have a medical emergency, JBM Security can handle anything you might need a police for, and if your house is on fire...hmmm I don't know who you're going to call. The most useless 911 center has NEVER once sent fire trucks to a fire, yes, because they are useless.

Posted by: Concerned downtown patron Location: Madison on May 9, 2008 at 11:35 AM
Could the county government at least tell us their short term "911" solution. I don't have much confidence in their system right now. Put the finger pointing and covering up aside. Please explain your short term solution to an obvious flawed 911 sytem!

Posted by: jeannie Location: waunakee on May 9, 2008 at 09:59 AM
I think they need to stop with the 911 problem and find the killer they are wasting time and someone else is going to get hurt.

Posted by: Helen Location: Madison on May 9, 2008 at 09:29 AM
Scott: Mayor Dave needs to stand up. The MPD is not performing and Mayor Dave, as the leader of our City, is ultimately responsible for that. Stop apologizing for Mayor Dave and start asking some tough questions. Your sure he will get on the right people. Well, where is he? Who is he getting on? NOBODY.

Posted by: amazed Location: dane county on May 9, 2008 at 08:12 AM
"very informed on 911" - have you ever heard the word "hypocrisy"? Glad to see you feel you know everything about everyone who posts a topic. Now since you know everything about everyone, why not get off your can and go solve this crime?

Posted by: G on May 9, 2008 at 07:59 AM
very informed, your right!! Maybe we should help them start a school for crime solvers. They are obviously very smart and well informed. Most of them watch CSI you know. Wait a minute...that's it... lets call in Caruso.

Posted by: gary Location: Madison on May 9, 2008 at 07:30 AM
Very imformed, Yeah it is prety sweet! I find your comments to be rather funny. Not EVERYONE on here is a gas station attendant, check out clerk or what have you. Those remarks make you an easy target. I, for one, am college educated and find the many blunders surrounding this case to be inexcusable. If I were to have made such am error at my place of employment, I would have at the very least been reprimanded, which according to all the "higher up's" she wasn't. Do not assume everyone who puts posts on here are uneducated idiots. Do you work at the 911 center or have a spouse or family member that does? I still say, if the pressure or stress of the job is too much for the dispatcheer, maybe they should find another job so innocent people will get the response they need, want and so very much need will be answered and nobody else will have to hear any more LAME excuses such as those you have pointed out.

Posted by: Anonymous on May 9, 2008 at 06:24 AM
To ver informed in 911 at 7:49pm- No one is claiming to be an expert but, we are trying to make sure this doesn't happen to some other family. And home schooled isn't the answer since you spelled it wrong.

Posted by: Anonymous on May 8, 2008 at 11:05 PM
very informed, do you not understand that there is a killer on the loose? and face it, MPD's track record of finding killers isn't anything to brag about. the public is frustrated with the way these investigations are being conducted. its time to start asking questions and stop taking their word for it. it's their job to catch criminals and since they can't, theyre not doing their job and need to be replaced by people who are capable of doing this.

Posted by: T on May 8, 2008 at 09:08 PM
Very MISinformed 7:49p.m. you are a complete idiot. It's a wonder you work at 911 most useless dispatch center. Please due the public a favor and put your kid into public school. When they say to "break the cycle" hopefully your kid does not follow in your foot steps . you are a complete fool!

Posted by: Susan on May 8, 2008 at 08:53 PM
Well Anonymous (May 8, 12:29pm) I guess no one supports Brittany or cares to stand up for what's right, under your definition. I was at that meeting, and 15 public attendees is probably generous. Were you there?

Posted by: scott Location: marshall on May 8, 2008 at 08:42 PM
Enough already. You all shooting off your mouths when none of us the complete story. None of us know any thing for sure except we can't bring her back. No one knows if officers had arrived after the 911 call, if her life would have been saved! A good chance of possibly catching someone? Maybe. Only those who are involved with the case(ray,mpd detects,911 head) should apoligize for mistake they make. Not mayor dave. The people that should be checking into the mistakes are doing so. If the mayor does'nt like it I'm sure he'll get on the right people. You delegate then let them lead. All of you who are screaming about info here info there, need to wait till the full report comes out. Patience is a virtue.

Posted by: very informed on 911 Location: Dane co. on May 8, 2008 at 07:49 PM
It's prety sweet how everyone is an expert on this subject....but don't know anything about it. But thats ok, go back to your gas station attendant job, your check out job at the local food mart, your secretary job, your 9-5 job and feel good about yourselves......cause you know everything. And since you do, can I send my kid to you to be home schooleed...because I want him to learn from the best.

Posted by: Timothy Location: Madison on May 8, 2008 at 02:48 PM
I have to agree with Helen, Mayor Dave has been silent. I don't understand why the media is not questioning him about the MPD failures. Cassie is correct, lets focus on those that are not getting the job done. As every day goes by, it gets harder and harder to solve this crime. Instead of "Where's Waldo" we should have a "Where's Mayor Dave"

Posted by: Helen Location: Madison on May 8, 2008 at 01:36 PM
When is Mayor Dave going to apologize for the incompetence of Noble Wray and the detectives on this case and others. I don't have an issue with the patrol officers but I have a problem with those who are managing and leading the recent murder investigations. Do you think Mayor Dave has a pillow under his desk so he can be more comfortable in the fetal position.

Posted by: Cassie Location: Madison on May 8, 2008 at 01:29 PM
My comment follows many below, why divert the focus of this issue onto the 911 operator? Why not take all this time and energy and focus on finding out who did this. I am sure the 911 operator is not the only one who MAY have made an error. The responsibility to find who did this is the police, the 911 call is a missed opportunity now, over and done with, what would you have done with it anyway? Arrived maybe 30 minutes later to investigate a hangup call and found poor dead Brittney before her boyfriend? The fact of the matter is no one has found out who has done this and like 3 other murder cases in the recent past, probably won't be solving it anytime soon. Think of how many lives this operator has saved in her career - now the media, county, police are placing all there energy on this call that may or may not have made a difference? Who had the stupid idea to give this information to the press anyway? Share it with the family, yes - the world - NO. For everyone, Just find who did it

Posted by: Anonymous on May 8, 2008 at 12:29 PM
If People Live within 45 minutes of where this meeting is and you are not working or do not have a REAL EMERGENCY, YOU ARE NOT SHOWING SUPPORT FOR BRITTANY AND DO NOT CARE ABOUT STANDING UP FOR WHATS RIGHT!! PERIOD!! THE ONLY THING YOU PEOPLE CARE ABOUT IS SHOOTING OFF YOUR BIG USELESS MOUTH ON A STUPID SCREEN!!!I WOULD THEN SAY YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM AS WELL!!!

Posted by: Anonymous on May 8, 2008 at 09:32 AM
YES! the media is the only way we are going to get heard about any of this. Start playing hardball already and put these idiots that run madison in the hot seat. ive seen how running one story on the news can change things drastictly. you have the power media (nbc 15)

Posted by: Anonymous on May 8, 2008 at 08:30 AM
Maybe MORE time should be placed on trying to find out WHO did this terrible crime than on HOW the 911 call was handled!!

Posted by: Dont Matter Location: Madison on May 8, 2008 at 07:57 AM
The Media in this city needs to get out of bed with the police and politicians. Any other media in any other city would attack these incompetants until they were forced to resign. Why won't are media do its job? These people should never be allowed to lead anyone. Also get a police chief that will whip these lazy and dumb cops into shape

Posted by: Gene Location: madison on May 8, 2008 at 07:43 AM
Is there any more of a way to make Madison the laughing stock of the country? Our leaders are a bunch of out of touch jokers! Kathleen Falk, you should be ashamed of yourself for the rediculous comments you made. Your assuming that even if the call would have been handled properly, the killer still would not have been caught? That assumption on your behalf demonstrates what a bunch of gomers we have as leaders. You did it this time Kathy! Put one foot in your mouth and another up your rear! Great job!! Good thing I am not the father of this woman. I think I would have payed a visit to both you and that moron 911 Director. And I would surely be talking to an attorney!!

Posted by: Anonymous on May 8, 2008 at 06:41 AM
I think it is disgusting how the union reps back how the 911 call was handled. You explain that to the family- that you think it was ok that no one followed up with their dying daughter. Disgusting- and you wonder why people think the only purpose of a union is to protect the guilty.

Posted by: OMG on May 7, 2008 at 09:07 PM
Muffled sounds on a 911 cell call usually means the phone is in someone's pocket. But if you want 911 to listen to that for hours while ignoring other calls, send cops all over town trying to find everyone with a cell phone in their pocket or purse, knock yourself out. By the way subscriber name has to be subpoenaed from the provider, and they need a darn good reason to answer that subpoena. No sound and muffled sounds don't qualify.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: madison on May 7, 2008 at 08:21 PM
NBC 15 needs to start posting some of these comments on news telecasts. Something needs to be done about the people that run this city. Venting on here is good but what else can be done by the general public to see some results? All anyone has been doing lately is passing the blame on to someone else or another department. How many people have to die before changes are made? you seriously cannot make this stuff up.

Posted by: gym on May 7, 2008 at 08:15 PM
I can't bear to imagine poor Brittney clinging to the desperate hope that the 911 operator who took her call understood by the sounds on the other end of the line that she was in trouble and in dire need of help. Afterall, barely audible, muffled sounds or no sounds at all should send up the alert that the caller on the other end of the line is in the midst of a critical situation, shouldn't it? I mean, someone is in your house looking to harm you, you're hiding and manage to dial 911 but you're afraid to say anything lest you give away your location. Come on......... Is this not a real scenario....a scenario of your worst nightmare? But instead the 911 operator hangs up on you (or the dispatcher "heard nothing and then the call was ended"). So, so sad and maybe even preventable.

Posted by: jj Location: sp on May 7, 2008 at 07:03 PM
I think it is quite obvious that Dane Co has screwed this up from the get go and they are more busy trying to cover their a** instead of trying to solve this murder. Their best bet would be to turn it over to a different agency. I hope her family sues the h--- out of the County. As a Mom, my heart aches for her mom knowing the at she called 911 for help and was hung up on.

Posted by: jj Location: sp on May 7, 2008 at 06:58 PM
Everyones too afraid to back me because they don't want to lose thier jobs. Been trying to get the local news to start something but no luck. Too political.

Posted by: Anonymous on May 7, 2008 at 06:56 PM
Norwick needs to be removed from his post - IMMEDIATELY. The delay caused by this debacle was critical, and the murderer(s) may never be found now. I hope I'm wrong about that. Falk, I'm extremely disappointed in your stubborn defense of Norwick - he won't be demoted or fired?!? I'll make sure to vote for the other person when you're up for re-election. I hope that, whomever that is, will have the sense to remove dead weight from the 911 center.

Posted by: rose Location: madison on May 7, 2008 at 05:43 PM
I make my living off the evening news, just give me something, something I can use. People love it when you lose, they love dirty laundry. I could have been an actor, but I wound up here. I just have to look good I don't have to be clear. Come and whisper in my ear, give us dirty laundry. Kick em when they're up, kick em when they're down. (lyrics from "Dirty Laundry" by Don Henley) Not sure how the media is helping and hope everyone knows that what happened can't be taken back. People can be held accountable without being ripped apart.

Posted by: Mike Location: Bristol on May 7, 2008 at 04:49 PM
I watch a lot of CSI: Miami (even re-runs) and if they were in charge this all would have been solved by now. It's obvious that a lot of my fellow posters watch it too when they aren't busy perfectly performing their jobs. If Kathleen keeps flapping her jaws and ends up costing Dane Co. a huge settlement maybe she could get an acting job on CSI to help pay for it.

Posted by: George Location: Verona on May 7, 2008 at 03:38 PM
Norwick is obviously an idot, and so is Kathleen. Now lets start concentrating on solving these murders. Obviously Madison needs some assistance. Maybe the FBI could lend a hand?????

Posted by: Steven on May 7, 2008 at 01:55 PM
I think thats also a good idea JJ, Why don't you show everyone whos in charge! Go back to your employer and knock the daylights out of all the bullies!! I bet you'd have more people backing you up than what you realize!

Posted by: Anonymous on May 7, 2008 at 01:26 PM
"BUT IT CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE PUT THE POLICE AT THE SCENE MINUTES AFTER NOT HOURS AFTER." Actually, the police also connected the wrong suspects to the crime. They held them for almost two weeks on murder charges when it was the wrong 911 call. I bet it was the guys attorneys who figured it out, not even the police! This is bigger that we think! But I don't want Falk spending a million dollars of tax money for her stupid study! She just needs to go. The people who get her job can do the research in their spare time!

Posted by: Anonymous on May 7, 2008 at 01:17 PM
I being a parent that recieves child support am not happy that they moved here to that department. What is she going to do next, misplace child support payments. If this would be a police office, they would have been fired on the spot.

Posted by: B Location: MADISON on May 7, 2008 at 12:57 PM
How does she know it wouldn't have prevented it? They don't know who killed her, they don't know when it happened exactly. What a stupid thing for her to say. I typically like her, but this was just stupid.

Posted by: Anonymous on May 7, 2008 at 12:33 PM
Hey JJ, Thats a good idea. Make an example outta that crooked department you worked for!

Posted by: Anonymous on May 7, 2008 at 11:46 AM
The murder may not have not been prevented, but they may have been able to catch the killer.

Posted by: JJ Location: Dane on May 7, 2008 at 09:47 AM
Fire the Dispatcher? Just taking orders from her Peers.It all starts at the top.Fire Falk and work your way down.

Posted by: JJ Location: Dane on May 7, 2008 at 09:46 AM
Falk would say anything to get the blame off of her.Solutions not excuses.We need new Leadership !!

Posted by: Pam on May 7, 2008 at 09:45 AM
The police and Falk say even if the right procedure would have been followed, the result would have most likely been the same, EXCUSE ME!!! How do they know that. She may have been hurt, but any interruption in the crime could have saved her life. I feel so bad for the family to think their daughter tried to get help and it was ignored. The 911 operator should be fired, her carelessness caused this young girl her life or at least a better chance at solving the crime.

Posted by: Anonymous on May 7, 2008 at 09:23 AM
JJ, Have you ever thought about ambushing the department you worked for if thats truelly the case?

Posted by: Anonymous on May 7, 2008 at 09:15 AM
As I'm punching this in, there are currently 325 comments. I would like to know what is really go to change if anything about the dispatch system, and what information they have in solving the unsolved crimes. To VERY MISinformed on 911. 11:34p.m. People have been making it clear for starters that when someone goes into the field of Law Enforcement they have intentions of making a difference. For you to start foaming at the mouth about stress and anything else you want to jawjack about, what I want to know is who twisted your arm and told you , you need to go into dispatching for the 911 center? Furthermore "Mis Informed on 911, your personality and comments about the daily aspects of the 911 center speaks volumes on how I personally would look at a dispatcher in the 911 system from now on. MORON!!

Posted by: Anonymous on May 7, 2008 at 08:44 AM
THIS MARKS THE END OF MRS FALK'S POLITICAL CAREER. MAY NOT HAVE STOPPED HER FROM BEING KILLED, BUT IT CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE PUT THE POLICE AT THE SCENE MINUTES AFTER NOT HOURS AFTER.

Posted by: Anonymous on May 7, 2008 at 07:42 AM
We are not bashing the police here. It is the management of the whole program. Falk is out licking ankles again as usual. Her staff is supporting her, gee-I wonder why? They like their "do-nothing" jobs. The police are underfunded and the mayor is under his desk in a fetal position (I liked that comment! It describes him well.) Falk is going to hire and outside contractor to do an audit. Wow, she is going to spend more tax money on a "STUDY." Oh, how we could use those millions of dollars in better ways. Let's elect dedicated politicians next time: Can we find a Bob Proxmire, or a Gaylord Nelson? We can't afford "administrators" any more. Their sole job, in the state and at the University, is to "Cover the Boss's A--!" Do you know that the normal pay for an "Administrator" starts at over $80,000.00 per year? A good German Shepard would be less expensive than that!

Posted by: Gary Location: Madison on May 7, 2008 at 07:19 AM
Hey "what the heck". Are you really as out of touch as you seem? I mean really, why should the dispatcher NOT be fired along with all the other "higher ups" in this department? They totally all but ignored recommendations put forth by a review committee. The dispatcher FAILED to follow protocol and DID NOT call back. Just because cell phones cannot be pin pointed to an address do not mean they can just ignore procedures. They (Dane County 911) tried to "sweep this under a rug" in hopes it never be leaked out. If it were not for the Isthmus, this may have never been brought to light. Before spouting off, maybe you should read ALL of the reports, not just what you want.

Posted by: Anonymous on May 7, 2008 at 06:28 AM
Rich McVicar seems to think that there was no issue on how the 911 call was handled according to news reports. Sounds like we need someone else in charge of the 911 center and quick. To think she called and couldn't speak and no one followed up is terrible. It doesn't matter if they think it wouldn't have made a difference in her death. You should have tried.

Posted by: C Location: Madison on May 7, 2008 at 05:55 AM
Me-You also have to understand that although the cell phone may have given the address next door, when you are dealing with multi-story buildings and a 3 block radius, many, many people could be in that area. It's not as easy as just knocking on the door next to the address that came up on the 911 screen. There would have been no way for the dispatcher to know that the victim was right next door to the address that came up on her screen. She could have only pinpointed it to a 3 block radius.

Posted by: C Location: Madison on May 7, 2008 at 05:52 AM
Me-it's not that easy. Dispatchers can't just call and get cell phone billing information from the provider. I wish it was that easy, but that info is confidential. The dispatcher has to request it through an emergency subpoena and there must be exigent circumstances for the cell phone provider to give the information out. At the time of the silent call, there was no reason to believe that there was an emergency, therefore, they would not have given the billing informaiton out.

Posted by: Robin Location: Deerfield on May 7, 2008 at 04:46 AM
Where is Norwick's apology?

Posted by: DISPATCHER Location: Madison on May 7, 2008 at 03:54 AM
So protocol is to call back on a 911 hang up call. Lets say the dispatcher calls the number back and gets no answer. That's about all that can be done in that situation. Should the dispatcher called back, YES. What's the outcome if the dispatcher calls back and gets voicemail and a message is left. The outcome would have been the same. As for the cell phone plotting the exact location when 911 is called is false. The initial location that is plotted is the cell phone tower that the signal was transmitted off of. The signal has to be re-transmitted into the 911 center to update the location. That is not done immediately however. The re-transmit of the signal does take a few seconds and if the cell phone connection is lost it will not update. Even after a re-transmit is done there is still a margin of error within the location given. Remember that 911 center could be the same center that walks a person through CPR to save your life, sends a fire department or assists you some way.

Posted by: Anonymous on May 7, 2008 at 12:19 AM
Hey "ME" @ May 6 4:44pm: How do you know "cell phone pinpointed the address right next to her house" - were you in the Dispatch Center when that call came in? 2nd, being a Univ student, how do you know her "billing address" isn't at her parents house? To get a cell company to release that confidential information you need to have a very solid reason [called exigent circumstances]...you cell company doesn't just give out your personal info and they can actually take 15 minutes to 2 hrs to get that info...IF they're open [some companies can only be reached "during normal business hours." Again...what do you KNOW?

Posted by: Very informed on 911 Location: Dane County on May 6, 2008 at 11:34 PM
The public does not understand and never will, the amount of calls, pressure, stress, and emotion that is involved with being a 911 dispatcher. Everyone should be thankful for those that perform this job, almost everybody cannot....it takes a special person. So unless you are 100% informed on how police, fire, EMS, 911, cell phones, and any other association to this work....keep you mouth shut and your opinions to yourself. Dispatchers have the hardest job there is....finding out where the hell you are. A good majority people have no idea where they are, or how to act like a normal human being and answer questions that are asked...questions that will help/save them. Calling and not saying anything, calling and yelling, calling and saying "just send someone" and hang up the phone, etc, does not help and makes that job that much harder. However, most people don't care, because everyone else's barking dog or firework complaint is more important that a heart attack. So thank a dispatcher!

Posted by: Bill on May 6, 2008 at 09:33 PM
We left Falk and Dane county for just this reason! Falk trying to get her butt re-elected to try and prove that she is not the pathetic excuse of leader she is. We're not talking about saving a tree or prairie, we are talking about a young ladies life and that is precisely why Falk doesn't have a clue about what to say or how. Between her and Doyle I cannot imagine a worse run county. The best thing we can hope for in this situation is that a detective here on vacation, from another state, solves this murder for us. I see little faith in the Falk regime to show a sincere effort in either solving the murder or correcting the problems of 911 and the pathetically low numbers of officers on the streets.

Posted by: jj Location: sp on May 6, 2008 at 08:42 PM
Anon 6pm: I did put my foot down and stand up for what was right. THAT'S HOW I ENDED UP GETTING FIRED!! Let's see.....Drunk drivings, DC's, Lying, Falsifying legal documents, Domestics.....tell me how those people get PROMOTED???I turned in abunch of the crooks and got harrassed and threatened, and finally fired. Yea, by our officers. Nice, huh? Like I said, there are some good ones out there.

Posted by: C Location: Madison on May 6, 2008 at 08:05 PM
It will be nice when cell phone technology advances. With the latest report about how 911 could not have saved here life I say how could her life have been saved and/or the murderer possibly id'd. Maybe if the phone companies didnt have to hog all the technology a panic roaming message could be sent out to nearby cellphones. The other cells could be used to triangulate the initial message location, and it could be rebroadcast to the feet on the ground while the system itself automatically dials 911 back to that hunt group where someone is able to talk? 911 basically means send an officer or something, it's slow! Technology is really quite simple but stuff like that is only for the military I'm sure. Problem is, for instance the telco's are just flat out greedy like everyone else. Yes, sometimes it is everyone for themselves in this country which is maybe one little itty bitty reason tragedies like this occur.

Posted by: Tom Location: Madison on May 6, 2008 at 07:20 PM
In response to the latest news update May 06,2008 4:45PM. Falk states that sounds that have significance are heard but the dispathcher didnt hear them. What kind of back peddling is that. If it is heard on the tape, I dont get it. Norwick, Falk just admit and stop making excuses it got screwed up. Deal with it and drop the politcal posturing and think about others instead of yourselves for a change. Kinda funny Mr. Hollywood Mahoney has not been seen or heard from in the past couple of days. Maybe he is trying to foster better relationships with his neighboring agencies instead of sticking his nose where it does not belong. Fix your own department that is partly responsible for the arrogance we are seeing since Norwick retired from the Sheriffs Dept. Norwick should be gone and next election Falk should be gone. It is sad but Dane County is really a laughing stock instead of the "premiere agencies" they think they are. Mahoney still has time to pull out of his nose dive.

Posted by: Anonymous on May 6, 2008 at 06:00 PM
JJ with all due respect. 8:04p.m. When a person goes to the police acadamy they have the intention of "making a difference" Alot of cops as we know were picked on while growing up. That is a fact. It's hard to imagine an "entire" department or shall we say for "roll call" a room full of patrol officers that are "bullies" Have you ever heard of putting your foot down and just standing up for whats right? It would also seem to me that a department you are referring to would also have a very unusual high number of complaints. Let alone they do something to a very "disturbed" individual what consequences a department could potentially have. So with all that being said, It would seem as though you may think I may be a few sandwiches short of a pinic to believe that my friend.

Posted by: Charlie Location: Madison on May 6, 2008 at 05:12 PM
Practice your 2nd Ammendment Right. Arm your self Madison! The police/sheriff can not and will not protect you. You must protect your family and yourself. If Joe Marino or Brittany Zimmerman were armed they may be alive today. Anyone who comes into my house with bad intentions will get an all expense paid trip to the morgue. Do not become a victim! We need to be allowed CCW in WI. Contact your Reps today! Criminals are armed why shouldn't law abiding citizens be allowed?

Posted by: Eagle on May 6, 2008 at 05:02 PM
Robert, No offense takin'. Just spectate and be a critic. Next time your in trouble call someone other than a police officer. If you ever have to call 911...tell them how much you hate the police before you report a crime. That way then can prioritize your call. By the way I am not police officer. However, I have had to thank them several times.

Posted by: Me on May 6, 2008 at 04:44 PM
Hey, "What the Heck": the cell phone pinpointed the address right next to her house. Within 5-30 minutes, the dispatcher could have found out her billing address to her cell phone - right next door. It's a good place to start. It's certainly not a needle in a haystack.

Posted by: WHAT THE HECK on May 6, 2008 at 04:29 PM
What do you know-it-all posters not get about the fact that 911 cell calls do not pinpoint an exact location? And when the cell phone is called back it pinpoints nothing-nada-zip. That dispatcher could have called back all day long, and if there was no answer or voice mail, he/she would have been no closer to knowing where Brittany was. Sending cops out for a house-by-house search in a 5-block radius makes no sense if the dispatcher hears nothing over the phone to indicate a problem. But yeah, let's fire the dispatcher cuz technology hasn't caught up with real life yet.

Posted by: Karen Location: Waunakee on May 6, 2008 at 03:42 PM
Once again, Kathleen Falk trying to be the political "go-to" person. Couldn't disagree with you more Helen on Kathleen Falk. She is not trying to lead she is trying to make herself look good. I agree, Politics as ususal.

Posted by: D Location: Columbus on May 6, 2008 at 02:23 PM
Really makes me glad that the Mayor of Columbus just dumped our local call center and went with the county dispatch. People need to be held accountable. Not that it will help this situation. In today's society there is way to much of this warm fuzzy feeling crap. Do your job and do it right. Take responsibility for you actions. Stop making excuses and Step down in shame. I don't want to hear about the poor poor call taker and her anguish. I would have reassigned him or her to clean up at the crime scene.

Posted by: Anonymous on May 6, 2008 at 02:13 PM
If Ms. Falk was trying to do anything, she would have done it when they became aware of the fatal screw up! This wonderful kid could still be alive, or her killer behind bars, had this idiotic blunder not been made. She did not volunteer the information, it was UNCOVERED!!

Posted by: Anonymous on May 6, 2008 at 02:13 PM
Too bad Falk could not write sincere apology letters. She had to announce to the press she was sending them? Tacky. Politics as usual.

Posted by: Anonymous on May 6, 2008 at 01:38 PM
I just hope we remember all of this when it is time to vote for those bozos again!

Posted by: Helen Location: Madison on May 6, 2008 at 01:23 PM
I don't think too much of Ms. Falk's political agenda but at least she is trying to lead Dane County through this mess. Where is the Mayor Dave? Is he in the fetal position under his desk?

Posted by: Kimberly Location: Baraboo on May 6, 2008 at 12:21 PM
I wonder how that apology would be worded... Gee, we are really sorry that our 911 operator hung up on your daughter as she was about to be murdered. Please vote for me in the next election. I'm sure that will make this girls parents feel bunches better about the death of their child.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Madison on May 6, 2008 at 12:15 PM
What a Joke. Writting a apology letter. The County Leaders should stop and think of how much upset the Family must be. Writting a Letter is a slap in the face. How would they feel if this happened to them, hmmm? Working together that something like that won't happen again. I hope that they NEVER forget what terror that poor Girl must have gone through. What a JOKE a letter is. What did they think a letter to that Family would accomplish, NOTHING. $s are taken out of everyone's phone bill already for the 911 center regarding cell phones, what did they do with that Money, buy phoney land for private use and then sell it to the developers down the road. Read between the lines People. All of them should be fired, and people who actually care should be getting that Job. Action speaks louder then words.

Posted by: B on May 6, 2008 at 12:12 PM
I read on News 27 where the dispatcher transferred to the child support office. That'll be a good place for her/him. They ignore people all of the time...and not only that they are notorious for being rude. Pretty much the norm in all of the county building offices.

Posted by: Anonymous on May 6, 2008 at 09:06 AM
http://www.countyofdane.com/exec/feedback/default.aspx Above is the comment link to Kathleen Falk's comment page. Her apologies to the family, no matter how heart felt are very, very late (she was aware of the mistake weeks ago) and are simply NOT GOOD ENOUGH!! Perhaps our police problems are linked to the Dane County executive. She and the Mayor are "bed fellows" in politics.

Posted by: Gary Location: Madison on May 6, 2008 at 07:58 AM
What we are failing to recognize is that a few years ago a committee was formed to evaluate our 911 center. They concluded among other things that the center was understaffed and recommended that 5 additional people be employed to maintain an efficient center to handle just such issues, too many calls and not enough people to handle them. This as it seems, was ignored by everyone in charge. Yeah Kathleen Falk can blow all the hot air she wants, saying it was put into her "five year plan". What a load of crap! Just another excuse by our great leaders of Dane County. As for the Director saying he felt he nor anyone else owed anyone an appoligy? Just shows you how fricking out of touch these people really are. He, as well as the person who took the call and FAILED to follow procedures, should be terminated from their positions immediately. This womans life COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED. Great work to all involved!!

Posted by: James Location: Madison on May 6, 2008 at 06:31 AM
WOW! ANONY. 6:05p.m. I'VE NEVER HEARD OF BLASTING COPS LIKE THAT BEFORE! LOL!!

Posted by: C Location: Madison on May 6, 2008 at 05:07 AM
I'm not saying that the dispatcher did nothing wrong, but let's not jump to conclusions just yet. Let's wait for the 911 Director's investigation results and then decide.

Posted by: C Location: Madison on May 6, 2008 at 05:05 AM
As far as the whole 911 thing-all we know is that protocol was ignored, but we don't really know what that protocol was-this will be important. Perhaps, Dane county doesn't require call back from cell phones. Here are some facts that you may want to know coming from a certified dispatcher: 1. Dane county has technology to pinpoint a cell phone call within a 3 block radius-if noone will say where they need help, finding an exact location is difficult, esp. downtown where hundreds or thousands of people can be at any given time. 2. Remember this when you call 911 from a cell phone-the technology just isn't there yet to track exactly where you are at. 3. Consider the fact that this disptacher was taking other emergency calls at the same time with a known caller and known location. These calls took priority-there was no way she knew that a murder was taking place. Dozens of cell phone calls come in every day where the caller hangs up and the dispatcher has no way to find them.

Posted by: Anonymous on May 5, 2008 at 09:25 PM
you think this is the only time this has ever happened? i bet it happens all the time. Thank god the Isthmus printed the story on the 911 call or we'd never know about it. To say that the dispatcher "got busy" and "forgot" is ridiculous. MPD and the 911 center need to just shut their faces for a minute and quit blaming each other. There's a killer (maybe a few, or a serial killer) on the loose and all they can do is make up excuses about why theyre not at fault. And after no leads in the Kelly Nolan or Joel Marino case, people are starting to talk. The people are losing their faith in the city's police department which should never happen.

Posted by: john Location: westside on May 5, 2008 at 09:22 PM
I would apologize too if if were about to face a lawsuit !! If a lawyer can't win this case, he shouldn't be asking for 30% !! This is the one of the biggest blunders ever !!

Posted by: Enough on May 5, 2008 at 09:21 PM
Sorry Steven, it should have read in "this" area not as typed. Thanks for the comment though, I see I got under your skin, for that I apologize.

Posted by: Officer Location: Madison on May 5, 2008 at 08:40 PM
I did not say sending officers to Mifflin St. was a waste. In the case of Mifflin St, having so many officers present is called "prevention." Did you see any comments in the Mifflin St. story about a murder? a sexual assault? major battery? or any other major part I crimes? No. Why? Because the MAPD, UWPD, and DCSO had an overwhelming force to deal with issue before they got bigger. What these agencies need is support from the community to carry out normal day to day operations. I've lived in 5 states and have not seen a community as fortunate as Madison when it comes to its law enforcement. As an example, move across the border and see what the cops in Minn/St. Paul do. You'd be shocked. The cool thing, you'd never see a Madison area officer act as unprofessional as officer at other agencies. If you want a better police force, give them your support. If you think the cops elsewhere are better, move there and have a look yourself. You want a fantasy PD? Continue to watch CSI!

Posted by: Mark Location: Madison on May 5, 2008 at 08:27 PM
Um, Law Enforcement community, When I read remarks such as 6:05p.m. It sounds as though people are really getting fed up and are at the very foundation of what you are about.

Posted by: jj Location: sp on May 5, 2008 at 08:04 PM
Unfortunately, a lot of the depts get rid if the good "honest" cops. Or the good ones quit because they get run out by the thugs. I know because I was too honest for the Dept I worked for and I got ran out by the bullies. But there are some really good cops out there. So please don't put them all in one group.

Posted by: D Location: Madison on May 5, 2008 at 07:40 PM
Can yall just imagine the 911 dispatchers go thru on a daily basis while having to remain Calm Cool and Collected? it takes a special person to do that job. I had to call em about 5 yrs ago because i was having a severe asthma attack, the dispatcher was wonderful, SHE stayed on the phone with me until MFD and Paramedics arrived. I guess i have to count myself lucky because i only live about 5 miles from the FD behind East Towne Mall and they were here in a matter of minutes. I do feel its kinda stupid for Wray tryin to put all the blame on them. Mpd doesnt have that great of a track record esp with the Detective Stealing Dope from Evidence and smoking it

Posted by: Helen Location: Madison on May 5, 2008 at 07:01 PM
Eric: While I agree with most of your logic, I can't agree that the dispatcher did nothing wrong. Protocol was ignored. A return phone call should have been made. Would have it made a difference? I don't know. We will never know and I agree with you that the 911 call is not the issue. The issue is catching the killer. Frankly, I don't believe the MPD can solve this one. Their track record of late with respect to solving capital offenses is not good. I don't hear anything out of the MPD that makes me think this investigation is any different. Doing the same thing and expecting different results is the definition of insanity. Hello, Mayor Dave... did you hear that? Step up and take charge. You are ultimately responsible as the elected leader of this City.

Posted by: Steven on May 5, 2008 at 06:46 PM
To NBC 15 Who cares about a public apology? How about finding a team of investigators who can solve murders.. To Enough, I'm so glad your not part of the problem when people blame law enforcement as a whole. I like how you Exclude yourself when you refer to the judicial system "IN HIS " area. MORON!

Posted by: Eric Location: Madison on May 5, 2008 at 06:14 PM
We need to focus on the investigation and finding the killer, not the 911 call. There is nothing we can do because if the dispatcher would have dispatched an officer the dispatcher would not know where to send the officer. Dane County does not have that technology since it does not work yet for cell phones. The dispatcher did nothing wrong since no one responded on the other line. So lets just drop all this nonsense about the 911 call and catch the killer.

Posted by: Anonymous on May 5, 2008 at 06:05 PM
EAGLE, Sorry I could never be a cop. You of all people should know why. Given the fact why you chose to strap a firearm to your side for life in view of the fact people such as yourself are so deathly afraid of society to begin with.

Posted by: Robert Location: Wi. on May 5, 2008 at 05:55 PM
Eagle I find it interesting you mock someone at something completely irrelevant to solving crimes. What would really be funny is if these people who mispell are able to solve these crimes. Furthermore, being realistic if someone who works in a paper company, office or whatever their job maybe would walk in to the MPD and say one of your patrol officers who is sprouting off at the mouth because YOUR DEPARTMENT IS INCAPABLE OF SOLVING MURDERS WANTS PEOPLE TO JOIN THE FORCE!!! what do think they would say eagle? YOU ARE A COMPLETE FOOL!!In addition to this your nickname is not giving you the "eyesight" to spot any clues. I don't have to say it. But I will... MORON!!

Posted by: Enough on May 5, 2008 at 04:52 PM
Let's see if we can keep our eye on the ball people. Murders..unsolved in MADISON. Blame those responsable for finding the killers (MAPD), not the entire law enforcement cimmunity as a whole. Those who blame law enforcement as a whole are part of the problem. We all know there alot of criminals running around thanks to the leniency in the judical system in his area.

Posted by: Anonymous on May 5, 2008 at 04:51 PM
Eagle, Again, the dispatch system should get a new phone number it will be even easier to remember than 911. 1-U-S-E-L-E-S-S I don't have to reiterate myself about the level of DENIAL we are hearing.

Posted by: Eagle on May 5, 2008 at 04:18 PM
12:42, Did you catch my grammar mistakes?

Posted by: b Location: madison on May 5, 2008 at 04:16 PM
good point Sara, I am going to call my carrier and ask them. You should too.

Posted by: Eagle on May 5, 2008 at 01:40 PM
Anonymous 12:42, Maybe you could do better job. I doubt it!! You can't even spell "civilized". I get a kick out of all these critics. All this whinning means nothing if you haven't tried to do the job. If any of you critics can walk the walk... I know a place that trains police officers. I guess life is just what make of it. You can participate or spectate.

Posted by: Anonymous on May 5, 2008 at 12:42 PM
Cops are useless. And I am being very civelized with my statement. Theres nothing more annoying when you have "professionals" (i will use the term very loosely) and they can't find the low life who commited the crime. Instead, you hear nothing more than the blame game, and well why don't you become a leo if you can do a better job. That just makes me sick!!

Posted by: Anonymous on May 5, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Hey Kerry 7:11a.m., The State Police are just as useless as the local Police. Next winter, you better be prepared to help out the State Patrol because they most certainly didn't help the people stuck on the highway. As far as Feds, LOL!!! Look at the people who work for the State crime Lab as well. Do you how many people were fired because some were drinking on the Job? , Evidence misplaced, evidence that was mixed up with other cases, as well as having their own finger prints on evidence that was suppose to be used to help prosecute people. What a joke. Our ENTIRE LAW ENFORCEMENT IS A JOKE! To all the people who are going to start complaining, look at the statistics of all the mistakes being made, and that are continuing to be made. I have to say this, for being in a field where the work is very meticulous, cops are very sloppy in the work they do.

Posted by: Susan on May 5, 2008 at 12:11 PM
How is it "staining my hands with innocent blood" to point out that the Sheriff doesn't run the MPD or 911, and thus has no responsibility for the actions of either one?

Posted by: Sara on May 5, 2008 at 09:53 AM
For years now, cell phone companies have been taking out a fee to pay for the techonology of tracing 911 calls from cell phones. Obviously nothing has been done. What am I paying for?

Posted by: B Location: MADISON on May 5, 2008 at 09:52 AM
John has a good point comparing our homicide rate to other cities. Although Memphis is a lot bigger then Madison, but still a good point. However don't you think we should have more resources available to solve the murders, since we only have a couple a year? I think some changes need to happen. I don't blame the patrol officers or even the detectives. I personally think Chief Wray is incompetent. He has had a chance, and he has not proven himself. Replace him, get the old chief back, he was much, much better.

Posted by: Tired Location: Madison on May 5, 2008 at 07:26 AM
I agree with officer, stop wasting money and resources on things like Mifflin St block party. What a waste! We need less drunken college kids and more crimes solved.

Posted by: Kerry Location: Madison on May 5, 2008 at 07:11 AM
Bring in the State or the Feds! Madison/Dane County is not able to catch muderers. I wish some of these people that post on here would listen to how badly the Joe Marino investigation has gone. Brittany's case will go the same way unless real crime fighters step in not the p.c. police

Posted by: Kyle Location: Madison on May 5, 2008 at 06:59 AM
Um Susan...come out of hiding. Do you work for MPD or Dane Co. Sheriff or does your wife/husband? Remember your hands are stained with innocent blood when you make excuses for those who let killers run free to victimize innocents. Take responsiblity for your actions.

Posted by: To Dawn Location: Madison on May 5, 2008 at 05:38 AM
Dawn, please read the articles about the dispatcher's "transfer" again. The dispatcher was not transfered. He/she requested to be reassigned. Wonder why that was? You figure it out.

Posted by: Not true Number Location: Madison on May 5, 2008 at 05:37 AM
Posted by: Anonymous on May 4, 2008 at 03:16 PM: You're forgetting some numbers here. Not all 59 dispatchers work at the same time, not all the calls they take are 911 calls, in fact the number of non-emergency calls is almost four times that of 911 calls. You're forgetting the number of radio transmissions a dispatcher is making to communicate with officers. You've forgotten to calculate time spent typing in information as a caller/officer is speaking via phone or radio. You've forgotten to account time writing critical information such as license plates, names, dates of birth, locations, etc. And more importantly, oh yes, dispatchers are human. You try taking 911 call after 911 call (rather stressful calls) one after another. Try to deal with that pain and stress for a day. You'd learn quickly that in between those calls you need to take a breath and regain your composure before moving on to the next possible life saving or ending call. To all: please think before you judge.

Posted by: Officer Location: Madison on May 5, 2008 at 05:32 AM
Just my perspective on things. Police can only do our jobs with the tools and latitude given to us by our respective communities. If you don't see police doing something you want them to do, give them the tools to do it. This may mean money, time, additional resources, planning expertise, etc. If you don't give these things, you have no right to complain. If you want something better, show your support. It may mean some work on your part. Cops/Dispatchers can't make a community better without your support.

Posted by: Mike Location: Madison on May 5, 2008 at 05:30 AM
Hey John 8:36 a.m. Those are huge cities, much larger than Madison. Also most murders are not random and in major cities are mostly gang related. You are the reason why we have the police dept we do. you make excuses for poor performance.

Posted by: Rolen on May 5, 2008 at 01:16 AM
59 dispatchers are not answering the phone at the same time; good grief, 59 dispatchers are not even all working at the same time. Breaking it down to one call every 45 minutes is useless information and is certainly not the frequency with which calls come in. Schedule a sitalong at the 911 Center instead of spouting off on topics you know nothing about.

Posted by: Susan on May 4, 2008 at 08:54 PM
Um Kyle? The Sheriff doesn't run the 911 Center either. It's a county department but the Sheriff doesn't run it. Do you think he runs Dane County Human Services too? Or Dane County Parks? Please get some information before you post and trash other people's posts.

Posted by: B on May 4, 2008 at 08:53 PM
I am not sue happy, but I certainly believe a lawsuit is warranted here. Not that it will bring Brittany back but it could go toward the scholarship cause that her parents have begun. Come on Dane County, cough it up!!!

Posted by: jj Location: sp on May 4, 2008 at 07:33 PM
Unfortunately, our criminals have too many "rights" thanks to all the tree hugging attorneys out there. What kind of system do we have when murderers can only spend a couple years in prison? And I do not think it immature for LEOs to tell you to get a job as a cop if you don't like the way they are doing it. There is so much in the "system" that the public has no clue about. If you knew half the stuff that happens in court you would all be outraged! The Dispatcher that screwed up...I don't think they should be fired. I don't think the call was blown off. My guess is that they got busy and it was forgotten. Seeing that this person was transferred right away and is facing no dsicpline, and the fact that they are shielding the peron, leads me to believe that this is one of the "golden children." Didn't that Lt get fired for telling another school about an underage drinking party??????Umm...which is worse?? It seems they are covering something.

Posted by: Anonymous on May 4, 2008 at 07:27 PM
Jack A$$ 12:11a.m. speak for yourself.

Posted by: I know on May 4, 2008 at 06:35 PM
Tim and Kyle, the Sheriff's Office does not run the 911 center. No Sheriff's Office employee works in that area at all. Tim, if your such a great cop which its obvious you think of yourself, why not one now. Can't play that game just judge without any knowledge, facts or basis for your opinion. The last solved homicide was a year ago and the Sheriff's Office solved it. The last several investigated by the Sheriff's Office have been solved. Some of you should get your facts straight before you start judging law enforcement in this area with the same broad brush. The differences are significant. Howard, there was no unsolved murder investigated last year by the Sheriff's Office, it was solved...with a confession.

Posted by: Anonymous on May 4, 2008 at 03:16 PM
174,000 911 calls. 59 dispatchers. Do the math per year. Approx. 1 call every 45 min.Re-assigning a job will not bring a loved one back. She should be fired and so should no appology needed!!

Posted by: Student Location: UW Campus on May 4, 2008 at 01:48 PM
According to the UW website, campus population for 07-08 is about 45,000. So how many dispatchers work at UW police? I called UW 911 and was put on hold twice so the dispatcher could pickup a differant 911 call. This was on a weekend!! Once the dispatcher was able to, she sent police right away but it took awhile to get all the information. I went for a UW police ride along. There was a male dispatcher working alone and it looked pretty busy that night. The officer that I rode with said that all UW property alarms (several thousand) are also handled by the dispatchers! Maybe this is just a fluke? One person answering 911, non-emergency calls and dispatching calls. I would say it is another tragedy waiting to happen... Can the university not afford better? "Until something happens, nothing has happened" doesnt work. With what we pay the university for tuition, our police should be well staffed!

Posted by: Dawn Location: Cuba City on May 4, 2008 at 11:39 AM
I think it is absolutely appalling this young woman is dead because the 911 dispatcher wasn't doing his/her job. It also makes you wonder how many other calls have fallen through the cracks.

Posted by: B on May 4, 2008 at 10:15 AM
The dispatcher should be fired for not following procedure. Not transferred to another job. I hope she/he lives with guilt for the rest of their life knowing that had they followed procedure Brittany could possibly be alive today.Yes, there could have been at least hope if the cops were called soon enough to intervene or at least the call could have scared the killer off. Norwick....you sound like blatant liar. You should be fired too.

Posted by: John Location: Madison on May 4, 2008 at 08:36 AM
Not to shower everyone with too much reality but some homicide data from similar sized cities might help w/ a little perspective. Number of homicides reported in 2005 by cities similar in population to Madison: Birmingham AL (104), New Orleans (134), Raleigh (20), Cincinatti (79), Toledo (28), Memphis (138), Norfolk VA (59), Milwaukee (just for good measure - 121).... and Madison WI ( 2 ). So maybe, just maybe, the "City" and "MPD" are doing something right and deserve the benefit of the doubt... Nathionally, the homicide clearance rates are around 80%. And it might just be me but since I have lived in Madison my whole life I think I would rather have 3 unsolved homicides a year than 20 solved ones... shocking, I know.

Posted by: Mike Location: Chicago on May 4, 2008 at 06:58 AM
The 911 dispatcher should be put on trial for criminally negligent incompetence resulting in death. If you want to ignore the policies and procedures of your job, did ditches for a career - don't get a job as a 911 operator where people may actually count on you doing your job.

Posted by: Saw it coming Location: Dane county on May 4, 2008 at 06:21 AM
Why are we blaming the Police dept for the crime rate, it's not our Police Dept doing the crimes, is it? NO, those responsible for doing the crimes were created by our own SOCIETY and everyone of us are responsible for the way our society has become. Since the passing of the Children's Bill of Rights in "93", parents, Police and courts alike have all had their hands tied when it came time to dole out consequences for our youth's wrong behavior. Our younger society has been raised in a consequence free, the you can't touch me, I'm a child, I have rights, life style. Given the right to make choices they were not responsible or mature enough to make, didn't have to do this or that, if they didn't want too and where has that gotten us? LOOK AROUND, we now live in a society filled with people who feel they can do what they want, when they want and to whom they want, whenever they want and not have to be accountable for any of it. I ask, again, where should blame fall? Our own laps.

Posted by: Howard Location: Madison on May 4, 2008 at 04:07 AM
Why so many unsolved murders? Incompetent police or serial killer or both? And if my memory serves me correctly, wasn't the Sheriff incharge of last summers unsolved murder? I think this city and county has serious problems

Posted by: april bear on May 3, 2008 at 08:08 PM
I think its amazing how people defend themselves when they do not have the answers.

Posted by: TOM Location: wisconsin on May 3, 2008 at 06:28 PM
Critical thinker, I know why you're employed by Madisons Most Useless Dept. Your remarks speak for themselves.

Posted by: Jim Location: Madison on May 3, 2008 at 04:26 PM
SHAME ON YOU MPD!!!! Joe Marino's father has to go to the STATE to get help???? MPD is not capable of solving murders. I agree completely with Tim. I wish people would stop making excuses for our Police Dept poor performance. We need to clean house!

Posted by: Kyle Location: Madison on May 3, 2008 at 04:20 PM
It seems to me Tim's point was the Sheriff's office is just as much to blame. They run 911 system. Mayor Dave, Kathleen Falk, Wray and Sheriff Mahoney all should be held accountable for unsolved murders and other crimes too. When was the last murder solved here? My heart goes out to the victims families. I pray that justice will be done. Please people do not let these victims be forgotten, Hold our poloticians accountable. Hold our Police Chief and Sheriff accountable. These crime statistics are sad and make me ill.

Posted by: Tim Location: Madison on May 3, 2008 at 03:46 PM
I understand the difference between Madison and the county. However the Sheriff's office is just as incompetent.Remember Father Kunz? The city of Madison and Dane county are run by the same worthless types. Kathleen Falk doesn't run MPD either. Susan and anonymous you are part of the problem with city and county. Stop making excuses for these poor excuses for law enforcement. As long as Madison and Dane Co. continue to hire who they do instead of real cops we are all at risk. There used to be a different type of Cop. They could solve crime and people respected them. Bow your knees to God and pray for forgiveness, before this city falls like Sodom and Gamorrah. It is nice to see there are still some good Americans left here. Stand strong

Posted by: RR Location: AT HOME on May 3, 2008 at 02:22 PM
Hey Critical Thinker, The comment Anonymous made at 5:35p.m. Really got to ya!! LOL!! Too bad the effort you put into commenting can not be harnessed into solving crimes. MORON!

Posted by: Anonymous on May 3, 2008 at 02:18 PM
It is very obvious the people in law enforcement who are commenting need to just get down to brass tacks and resolve these problems. (WHATEVER IT TAKES JUST DO IT) It will look much better if you can atually solve a murder rather than argue about it on a comment board by making excuses and most of all (putting the blame on others why these murders are not solved)And last but not least, If you can do a better job why don't you apply at the police dept. For those of you in Law Enforcement who say that. THAT TRUELY IS VERY IMMATURE IN EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD.

Posted by: Jack Location: Madison on May 3, 2008 at 12:11 AM
I see Anonymous is back making comments about things they have no clue about. It appears this person has no life.

Posted by: Susan on May 3, 2008 at 12:09 AM
Um Tim? The Sheriff doesn't run the MPD.

Posted by: What Location: Here on May 2, 2008 at 09:36 PM
Why is it that you people (Tim) try to blame the Sheriff for the crime fighting skills of the MPD. The MPD and Sheriff's Office are two different agencies serving 2 different jurisdictions. For a former cop, you seem to not understand the difference between City and County law enforcement. The Sheriff does not run the MAPD, Noble Wray does. Yes, the 911 call being handled the way it was is unforgivable, but that doesn't mean the case is automatically unsolvable. Let's blame he civilian employee because we can't catch a killer.....nice.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Dane County on May 2, 2008 at 09:21 PM
There is more to this story that we don't know yet. Why is the call considered evidence if there was "nobody" on the other line. Must be something on that call for it to be evidence. It also seems that the MAPD in all their self proclaimed glory is trying to spread the blame on others. They alone are the ones with other unsolved homicides in recent years. It goes beyond the most recent 3. Shouldn't the Sheriff's Office step in. The last few homicides in Dane County have been solved, some by confessions even. Being a county resident, I know that the Sheriff's Office responds to all 911 calls real or accidental. This is tragic but it seems to me there is more to the story with the MPD. It seems that the MPD needs help.

Posted by: Ralph Location: Madison on May 2, 2008 at 08:59 PM
Joe Marino's father has given up on the MPD and has asked the state to step in. He does not believe that the MPD will actually solve his son's murder. Who can blame him. Time is up for the MPD, Chief Wray and Mayor Dave. We have the County and the MPD pointing fingers at one another. Enough is enough. I think the AG should take over this case as well.

Posted by: Lynn Location: Madison on May 2, 2008 at 08:41 PM
What a disgrace!!! Shame on Mayor Dave, Chief Wray, Kathleen Falk and Sheriff Dave!!! Take some accountability when things are done wrong. I can only hope that some heads roll for this ridiculous and uncalled error.

Posted by: Critical Thinker Location: Madison on May 2, 2008 at 08:25 PM
Tim @ 5/2 1:20 pm: If you think you can do better feel free to apply for a job at 911. They're frequently hiring. If you can actually make it through the hiringg process, go see what it's really like. At least try a sit-along...you might learn something. ANONYMOUS @ 2:29pm: it doesn't take a geographical location to be a jump-the-gun, torch waving, armchair-quarterbacking, uneducated "redneck." ANONYMOUS @ 5:35pm: if you think being dressed down by someone claiming to be a former "LAPD" (or was that supposed to be ironic?) is being "bashed around" - just wait till they get ALL the facts. I hereby challenge each of you who want to slam your Public Safety workers: you have 30 days to solve these murders...perhaps YOU can do a far better job, what with all the CSI, Law & Order, and TruCrime episodes under your belts!

Posted by: cathy Location: columbia county on May 2, 2008 at 07:50 PM
I feel we all should learn a lesson from this tragic situation. A land line phone is also an obvious safety feature. People are to caught up in the cell phone world. College students, homes with children in them, elderly people , and handicapped all should note how much more information the 911 center automatically has with a call from one of these phones. Another thought in technology, if a land line is not an option. A direct contact message on a cell phones for cases when a person needs help and perhaps can not speak at the moment for fear of their life would be perfect for 911 callers. "I am at this address, this is an emergency, please send help now. this is my cell phone # .send help now. Another option for parents is to look into a locater device to put on cell phones , for a college student it could be a life saver. This death is such an awful tragedy. I pray for the Zimmermann's that memories and peoples actions to upgrade security measures bring some comfort in hard times.

Posted by: Frank Rizzo Location: NY on May 2, 2008 at 06:50 PM
Demographics is the key to keeping crime down. Don't let the NAACP, ACLU, or Reverand Wright fool you otherwise. Just ask the families of the U of North Carolina female student who was killed. And ask the family of the Auburn University student who was killed, both this year. Both lovely white girls, killed by wild primates who like to shoot people.

Posted by: Anonymous on May 2, 2008 at 05:35 PM
Critical Thinker, Boy!!! you sure got bashed around! LOL!!

Posted by: Tammy Location: Middleton on May 2, 2008 at 05:10 PM
How about this headline just read on Yahoo News: "Slain College Student called 911 on cell, but no help sent." Thanks to Mayor Dave, Chief Wray, Dane Co. Exeutive Kathleen Falk and Sheriff Dave for the incompetence they have shown. We sure are proud of the way you make our City and County look.

Posted by: b Location: madison on May 2, 2008 at 04:22 PM
Wray has proved time and time again that he can't do the job. We need a new police chief and Mayor they all seem to be incompetent.

Posted by: JJ Location: Madison on May 2, 2008 at 03:39 PM
NOW WE ARE GETTING SOMEWHERE PEOPLE! I have been waiting and waiting for people to stand up and see the light and todays writings are showing just that. Our Police are a joke and yes they hire who they hire to be politically correct. They look for a specific candidate when pursuing new police and the crime fighter is not one of them! Our Chief Wray does need to step aside and get back to being a school crossing gard or a meter maid because this is not cutting it! We need real cops! How is a car load of men going to pull a trigger on someone on West Washington Ave at 6pm during mid-week and get out of the neighborhood? Think about it! Real Cops would have had that car pegged and surrounded within minutes! Where were they? Were they gathered up talking? Were they discussing overtime for the Mifflin Street Block Party? I dont know but they were not there! Just like they are not there for murder, muggings, sexual assaults, and stick-ups! We need a Departmental Cleansing Soon!

Posted by: Anonymous on May 2, 2008 at 02:33 PM
Maybe we could rope the bad guys from a mounted rider, Hey Dave?

Posted by: Anonymous on May 2, 2008 at 02:29 PM
Critical Thinker 10:51a.m. I was always under the impression "rednecks" are from the south, Ohio, Kentucky, so on and so forth.

Posted by: Helen Location: Madison on May 2, 2008 at 02:19 PM
Good comments Kyle and Tim. Tim, before I retired I prosecuted criminal defendants so I agree with you 100%. Why is it when accountability is demanded in Madison, someone always says "they are doing the best they can." Well, their best is not good enough! Has anyone seen the Mayor lately or is he still off in his dream world?

Posted by: Anonymous on May 2, 2008 at 02:17 PM
mayor@cityofmadison.com

Posted by: Kyle Location: madison on May 2, 2008 at 01:34 PM
a response to 9:55 a.m. Murders are almost ALWAYS solved. If they are not it is because crime scenes are not being processed properly and people are not being interviewed properly. Most cities unsolved murder rates are less than 15%. Madison? almost 100% unsolved. This should be make this city, MPD and its leadership hang its head in shame. We owe it to the victims and their families to bring killler(s) to justice. Stop wasting resources and personal on speed traps that serve no real law enforcement purpose (only generate revenue) What a sad state of affairs. Wake up people and demand accountablity from your Government

Posted by: Tim Location: Madison on May 2, 2008 at 01:20 PM
to critical thinker: you are not. It has do do with priorities and resources of the dept. Most people caught in the speed traps are not drunk or doing 90mph. They are using up to 10 squad cars to "trap" whole segments of traffic going the flow.If you knew anything about real police work (your obviously MPD)you would know that beat cops are often used to assist detectives to talk with potential witnesses and gather evidence. Task forces are usually run by detectives and staffed with uniform officers. Where is the task force to solve ALL these unsolved crimes including murders. MPD IS A JOKE because it is run by inept and incompetent leaders including the Mayor, Police Chief, County Executive and Sheriff. Incase you think I am anti police you are wrong. I served proudly 10 yrs with LAPD under the great Chief Gates. LA wasn't perfect but we knew how to stop crime and catch criminals.MPD can't seem to figure it out

Posted by: Anonymous on May 2, 2008 at 01:09 PM
http://www.ci.madison.wi.us/formspolice/feedback.html

Posted by: Susan on May 2, 2008 at 12:48 PM
All of you that think the police should go to every 911 cell hang-up, and yet are complaining that the cops don't do their jobs? The day of the murder there were 115 hang-ups. If you want the cops to wander around the city, with just a general location, trying to figure out if every hang-up related to a crime, you can forget any other type of police work, and expect your taxes to go up when the current force doesn't have enough numbers to handle it all.

Posted by: Katie Location: Middleton, WI on May 2, 2008 at 12:12 PM
I'm absolutely outraged by this news regarding the unresponded 911 call made by Ms. Zimmerman. The policy of the police department to simply diregard 911 cell phone hang-ups is mind-boggling! More and more citizens rely on cell phones vs. land lines -- especially students. And I find it disturbing that the dispatcher "got busy and forgot" to call back a 911 call. This is unacceptable!

Posted by: Betsy Location: Madison on May 2, 2008 at 11:50 AM
Check your cell bills - I have a charge (amoung many tax type fee's) that is called; WI Wireless E-911 Fee. In addition how many people do you know that have cell phones older than 4 years (thats the cut off for this newer technology). Sorry cell phones are lucky to last 2 years. Stop with the excuses.

Posted by: Anonymous on May 2, 2008 at 10:54 AM
To the MPD, For the patrol officers out there that are just doing what "you are told to do" you guys are alright. To the detectives and superiors that are "directly involved" with the unsolved murders, muggings YOU PEOPLE ARE AS USELESS AS THEY COME. At this point nothing you do can make up for your incompetence.

Posted by: Critical Thinker Location: Madison on May 2, 2008 at 10:51 AM
For all you people bellyaching about speed"traps": Those aren't DETECTIVES out there, they are Traffic Enforcement & Beat Cops...detectives are the ones investigating. Do you rednecks really know NOTHING about division of labor?? Maybe if YOU and your buddies weren't doing 90MPH on the beltline & driving DRUNK, more resources could be committed to "the real crimes." Next time there's a pile-up on the beltline the police can simply say, "sorry, we had EVERYONE working on the latest mugging, please sort this out yourselves!" When did we become a people who delegated our every responsibility & thinking to Big Brother????

Posted by: helen Location: madison on May 2, 2008 at 10:09 AM
It is tragic that 911 did not respond to the call, the director needs to be reprimanded at the least and where is his sensitivity and caring? All 911 operators need to respond immediately--how can one give information if he/she is being attacked?? All calls need to be taken seriously. Now a young woman's life was taken and the murderer at large--and it was preventable. And the director of 911 sees nothing wrong and did not even report???

Posted by: Anonymous on May 2, 2008 at 09:55 AM
I think the time has come for the people at 911 to send the cops to all 911 calls. I'm sure many are false, but I'm willing to wait for someone to answer my real emergency while they investigate the numerous "false" 911 calls that they receive. Yes, it's very sad what happened - there's no doubt about that - but before I pass any judgement, I'd like to hear the 911 call in question. If the call contains someone in obvious distress (such as saying 'help, I'm being murdered!') then I'll jump on the 'shame on 911' bandwagon. But what if it's something more subtle - or nothing at all. We all have 20/20 hindsight. When we are allowed to hear that call, we already will have a preconception of what was happening. Did the person who answered that call have that same advantage? I'd be interested in hearing other 911 calls that turned out to be 'false' grouped in with this call they are talking about. Wonder if I could pick out the 'real' one?

Posted by: A Location: Madison on May 2, 2008 at 09:42 AM
Not giving the police the information about the 911 call is a tragedy; however, I am going to assume that all of you bashing the police and other occupations on this website have also made unforunate mistakes in your jobs or lives- maybe your jobs aren't as high profile, but nonetheless everyone makes mistakes. Having unsolved murders creates paranoia and anxiety, but if there are few or non-existent clues and/or evidence, how can the police arrest someone and solve the crimes? I am glad the police aren't jumping the gun and possibly convicting a wrong person just to find someone to blame. Also, to Jamie, SO the police are just supposed to forget about all of the other elements of their jobs and let people drink and drive, speed, fight, etc until they solve these murders? That's a very shortsighted and elementary comment.

Posted by: Mike Location: Chicago on May 2, 2008 at 09:32 AM
They should identify the 911 dispatcher who did not follow policies and put this person on trial for causing death through incompetence. Just what we need - people in public safety roles that don't think!!

Posted by: Jamie Location: Oregon on May 2, 2008 at 09:22 AM
I couldn't agree with Tim from Madison more - I've seen more speed traps these past months than I have ever seen - SERIOUSLY - SOLVE THE MURDERS FIRST YOU IDIOTS!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous on May 2, 2008 at 09:16 AM
Kathleen Chalk and Sheriff Bologne. Oops wrong spellings, what a bunch of crock in their interviews!!

Posted by: Betsy Location: Madison on May 2, 2008 at 08:53 AM
Ms. Falk - do your job and get rid of the 911 director. I agree with Tim - Madison "the most wonderful city" is a joke! Now; the criminals are even holding people up at West Town Mall in broad daylight.

Posted by: Tom Location: Madison on May 2, 2008 at 08:47 AM
No surprise Joe Norwick worked for the Dane County Sheriff's Dept. Can anyone else see the total arrogance and nose in the air attitude. Ditto about the County Exec and Sheriff. Time to wake up folks you are no different than anyone else or any other law enforcement agency. Get rid of the "we are better than anyone" attitude and come back down to earth. You might be more effective when doing your own job instead of trying to tell everyone what they should be doing and how they should be doing it. Maybe work together instead of against which has always been Dane Countys motto. Why is the Sheriff even commenting on this incident, it happened in the City of Madison. Rank and file folks keep up the good work!!!! it's not your fault you work for a bunch of people who THINK they are better than everyone else. Maybe if they were not so worried about always being in the spotlight and they just did their jobs maybe this would not have slipped through the cracks.

Posted by: Madison Location: East on May 2, 2008 at 06:42 AM
First of all Kathleen Falk should fire the Director of the 911 Center. I have only had to call a few times but they are rude and sometimes down right nasty. This Director has nothing to apologize for? You have everything to apologize for. Your people didn't follow procedure. It maybe couldn't have saved this person but maybe would have caught the person who did it. This guy stood in front of everyone like an uncaring JERK. The police are doing what they can with what they have but that isn't much. Kathleen Falk you should be ashamed of yourself. Now is the time to act!!!!

Posted by: Tim Location: Madison on May 2, 2008 at 05:30 AM
This city has become a national joke. 3 unsolved murders in a year! This is ridiculous. Dave, Kathleen and Noble, you need to resign. No other city in America would allow so many murders to go unsolved. And while not technically Madison, lets not forget Father Kunz or Amos Motier??? How about all the unsolved muggings downtown last year? We should all be outraged at the incompetence of this Police Dept. and the city/county leaders. The new city motto should be "Come to Madison where no crime goes punished" I am so angry and sickened

Posted by: anonymous Location: Deerfield on May 2, 2008 at 05:17 AM
I completely agree with those who feels Joe Norwick's attitude, lack of empathy and concern over this tragic outcome of events, should not be tolerated. There is no place for this arrogance in our safety sector. He should be immediately released from his position, without further pay.

Posted by: Monte Location: Madison on May 2, 2008 at 05:01 AM
I want to know when this police dept. is going to start catching REAL criminals? This dept is a complete joke. Noble Wray, you need to resign! This dept hires officers based on political correctness instead of real qualifications. Look at who is on our police force...is it a real wonder why they can't solve a crime?

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Madison on May 2, 2008 at 03:23 AM
I read the article about how the 911 center just ignored her call and didnt trying to help her. I think that is very sad! What are you guys paid to do? answer 911 call for what purpsose EMEGENCY'S!!!! If a call comes in it usually means theres something wrong. I think this girl could of had another shot at life if the DUMB policy is changed. I know there is tech. being updated, but why couldnt you call back? Atleast you could of gotten her name and address somehow. Now the police dont want the recording?! wow that is very upsetting to some. Kathleen knew about it the whole time, the call? Why cant someone do something about it? Im sure the police are doing what they can or what they have done but not the 911 center. I hope someday if I need medical or police I hope i get that protection I need fast and realiable people to take my call. I hope the family of Brittney is well and My prayers go out to Brittney's family and friends. This is a very tragic situation.

Posted by: Anonymous on May 2, 2008 at 02:41 AM
Do any of you have any clue how many 911 calls come into the Dane County Comm center every day as "false calls?" Please look into this. It was amaze you.

Posted by: Jerry on May 2, 2008 at 02:32 AM
When a person calls on a cell phone that doesn't mean they can always trace the call. In my opinion, they, the police could have at least called the number back. That information they do have. I also think the idiot who did not apologize should think before he speaks. Obviously when someone calls 911 and dispatch hangs up on the caller without even calling back you made a mistake. Joe Norwick clearly does not want to or dispatch be held accountable. It is understandable when people become angry when idiots like joe norwick are employed by the police dept.

Posted by: Hanna Location: Near Madison on May 2, 2008 at 02:25 AM
.This whole incident is a major tragedy for southern WI and the Madison community. I hate to think that when my family and I visit Madison there is a Killer(s)among us. As I read the statements below I hear many concerns over dialing 911 from a cell phone, and there is. I’m not coming to the defense of MPD but here is what I know of the system. A cell phone is NOT LINKED to an address, it is linked to a person only. With the new 911 enhanced system if you call 911 on a cell the dispatcher will get the cell number that is calling and that is it. There is a remote possibility of getting a GPS location with the new system, but you have to have pristine conditions i.e.….in the open, not in a building, near a tower for good signal strength, staying on the phone for a certain amount of time. This location is also NOT AN ADDRESS but a red symbol on a map depicting where the cell phone may be located. I must emphasize pristine conditions. If at any point during this call the signal is week

Posted by: Kaye Location: Madison on May 2, 2008 at 01:53 AM
I know all of you will correct me if I'm wrong but the Dane County 911 didn't even tell the MPD that there had been a 911 call, right? So when did this become something MPD messed up. I feel the dispatcher needs a new job if multi-tasking isnt working for her or him. Grow a pair Norwick!

Posted by: Tina Location: Madison on May 2, 2008 at 12:45 AM
To Tim from LA: I spent several years in LA and just checked the LA Times which says that 39% of murders there are solved. So, people should be careful when they make silly, inaccurate claims. The police are doing what they should be doing, this is not some TV crime show where everything is miraculously solved in a neat little package ... I doubt that the critics of the police are spending their time contributing to the community. Just so we do not forget, thoughts and prayers -- as always -- to the Zimmerman family, Brittany's fiance and friends ...

Posted by: Stephanie Location: Madison on May 1, 2008 at 09:12 PM
Wow. This has to be one of the most disturbing things I have ever read. While I would like to believe I am not a judgemental person, give people the benefit of the doubt and mistakes happen, I obviously am not that person right now. This was stupid, senseless and NOT a mistake, but rather a total lapse in regard for human life. I truly hope that the 911 dispatcher is fired and can live knowing she helped kill someone. While I don't blame the police, they can't respond if they are not informed, I think there job thus far has been shabby at best. As for the family, my heart goes out to you and I pray for some peace and serenity somehow, sometime.

Posted by: allan Location: lodi on May 1, 2008 at 08:47 PM
Was kinda curious they said she called 911 and couldnt get the help she needed just like the story of the interstate back up that left people stranded for over twelve hours. What do you guys think of the 911 issues that we are facing you call for help and you cant get anywhere with it they hang up or forget to notify the proper personnal to respond to your needs in emergencies Now they have lost a life and they were pretty lucky no one on the interstate mess wasnt killed too just thought id write this its just kinda wierd how this is happing

Posted by: danno Location: madison on May 1, 2008 at 08:28 PM
In reading some of the comments, my thoughts are this... There is no doubt that what happened is traggic, however you must remember were human.Have you ever stepped inside the life of a 911 dispatcher?I have,I was one as well as an EMT.Do you think for once that a job of a 911 operator is easy?Is it the operators fault that our technology at the 911 center is out of date?A 911 call from a cell phone has to be "connected" for a certain amount of time before the GPS can even begin to begin to attempt to locate a cell phone caller.Then even at that stage of locating a person, it doesn't give pin point locations.In the story it mentioned that there were 2 other 911 calls coming in.The question is.... if there were to be 2 more operators, would the operator that took the orginal call be able to focus on Zimmermans call? I don't think the operator is at fault, its lack of resources (technology, and additional operators).The staff at the 911 center can only work with what they have available.

Posted by: anonymous Location: madison on May 1, 2008 at 07:39 PM
i used to live in boulder, co. where the joke was with the locals, if you want to commit a crime, do it here cause the police department is not only incompetent, they're inept. well, i've been here for 10 years now and have noticed the madison police department not only reminds me of the blundering boulder police but they might even take the "incompetent cake". too many murders unsolved, a lack of communication with the very public they serve and an apparent unwillingness to change those ways. the madison police dept. should spend a little more time and effort into solving serious crime than devising ways to ticket more people at the mifflin street block party. yes, i don't necessarily like loud music but i sure don't like the madison "blue's" track record for solving violent crime... there needs to be an outcry directed towards all the authorities here in madison!!!

Posted by: Jill Location: Madison on May 1, 2008 at 07:04 PM
It is not the police. they are dispatched the calls. Someone should pay dearly for this. How safe are we? For the gentleman who is the head of the call center not apologizing is disgusting. Start with him he needs to step down.

Posted by: Toby Location: Baraboo on May 1, 2008 at 06:31 PM
Why has it taken so long for this to come out and why has nothing been done about this. I would think that many college students and especially the Zimmermann family should be SCREAMING by what has come out on this. I understand that mistakes can be made and some of the mistakes can be devistaing, and this one may have just caused a young lady her death, and nothing is done about this? The head of 911 should be tossed out of his office, he seems pretty arrogant not even to offer an appology to the family? Something needs to be done about this and done soon. I don't believe in most lawsuits but I believe that the Zimmerman's have a good case on this one. My heart goes out to the family.

Posted by: Mary Location: Madison on May 1, 2008 at 06:26 PM
They have got to be kidding! No need to apologize, no disciplinary action. What on earth is going on. A 911 call was placed and nothing was done. Pathetic.

Posted by: leo hull Location: Mt Horeb on May 1, 2008 at 06:23 PM
It sounds very much like Norwick is stonewalling...typical of a department head who is trying to hide poor performance. I would say that a house cleaning may be in order. It doesn't take a month to investigate a 30 second phone call.

Posted by: Shelley Location: Wi Dells on May 1, 2008 at 06:17 PM
Unbelievable!!! First of all the director of the 911 center should be fired due to gross negligence by even suggesting that hanging upon a 911 call w/out any follow up is okay. Second, the dispatcher should be on a paid leave...sounds like job burn out to me. What a tragedy for the family. I'd sue the pants off Dane County!!!! Disgusting and pathetic public service.

Posted by: Shibby Location: Madison on May 1, 2008 at 06:12 PM
Hey Norwick, If you can't give an apology to her family, then you should be fired. You are a JERK in my opinion.

Posted by: Tim Location: Madison on May 1, 2008 at 06:05 PM
Where I come from (L.A.) 90% murders are solved....don't tell me Madison Police are doing their jobs. Madison better wake up and start hiring the right people to police the city...not because of who/what you are. Stop the speed traps and start solving REAL crimes.

Posted by: Helen Location: Madison on May 1, 2008 at 04:15 PM
Wow! How many more ways can this case be screwed up by the authorities? The public needs to start asking serious questions of the MPD, Dane County 911, the Dane County Executive and Mayor Dave. We need answers not a cover up.

Posted by: Vanessa Location: Madison on May 1, 2008 at 04:08 PM
There is a large number of people who no longer have land line phones, especially college students. This is a problem that needs to be addressed. There should no longer be seperate policies for cell phones and land lines. Regardless of if they could track the exact location or not, it is unacceptable that the number was not called back by the 911 operator.

Posted by: Sam Location: Madison on May 1, 2008 at 03:35 PM
I think the family has a wrongful death case against the Dane County 911 Center.

Posted by: Concerned Location: Columbia County on May 1, 2008 at 03:12 PM
I, like many others, have given up my landline and now only have a cell phone. This seems to be a trend that will only increase. How are our 911 centers going to change their policies to deal with this?

Posted by: UW Student Location: Madison on May 1, 2008 at 02:55 PM
As a UW Student that lives 2 blocks from the murder, we have called the non-emergency police line before for a variety of things (homeless people in our yard, etc.) and it always takes them FOREVER to respond to the call - one night a homeless man was on steps yelling at people walking by and it look them TWO HOURS to show up!!!

Posted by: Anonymous on May 1, 2008 at 02:33 PM
The madison police department dropped the ball. "It is accurate to say that there is evidence contained in the call which should have resulted in a Madison police officer being dispatched." I have never heard so many lame excuses come out of anyone who was not a moron, mentally disturbed, dishonest or lazy. I believe that in light of this offense, an independent committee be hired to assess the MPD and the Mayor's Office.

Posted by: Amber Location: Madison on May 1, 2008 at 02:27 PM
I understand that many 911 calls that are made from cell phones are accidental calls, but for those of us that have become "cord cutters" or those who don't have landlines it concerns me to think the procedure is to just ignore the unresponsive 911 caller. An immediate call should have been made back to that number in case there actually was an emergency. It

Posted by: Carolyn Location: Madison on May 1, 2008 at 02:11 PM
What took so long for this to come to light?

Posted by: Tim on May 1, 2008 at 02:08 PM
Hey Tim 11:14a.m., I understand you are worried and frustrated, however the fact is Police are doing their best. I am not a cop or anything but cops like to be heros!! If they can't solve something, catch someone they do not get the satisfaction of being heroic. Last but not least in view of the fact my name is Tim, dude, use your middle name or somethin.

Posted by: Anonymous on May 1, 2008 at 01:30 PM
Someone is going to be in trouble when they begin to investigate a call that went unanswered to dispatch. That would definately be grounds for firing and a lawsuit against the city if they find that to be true.

Posted by: Anonymous on May 1, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Tim - If you think being a cop and solving murders is so simple, why don't you become one then? Obviously you think you're qualified if you can be that clueless.

Posted by: Anonymous on May 1, 2008 at 12:15 PM
Inexcusable!

Posted by: Eddie on May 1, 2008 at 12:12 PM
The story I read on another website states that the 911 system that Dane count uses (one of the best) can only pinpoint cell phone calls within 1 block to a half mile. The police would not know where to go. Good reason to keep your land line.

Posted by: Critical Thinker Location: Madison on May 1, 2008 at 12:07 PM
Exactly what was said [if anything] when "Brittany Zimmermann called 911 before she was stabbed and beaten to death"? Was it from a home phone where Enhanced 911 could give an address? Was it from a cell phone that might or might not show a GPS 100ft radius of possible location? How many calls does 911 get everyday from people sitting on the phone in their pocket or from children playing w/ "disconnected" cell phones? How many hang up cell calls does 911 get everyday where nobody answers on callback? Where do you send police to investigate when there is no location and no reasonable suspicion something is happening? Does 911 send police on wild goose chases all day trying to track down cell phones when virtually every person in town has one? Even if your cell company has your mailing address, is that where you're calling from? How many 911 employees and police officers are certified psychics who KNOW "something ain't right"? Maybe if MPD & 911 weren't so busy CYA we could get answers.

Posted by: kristin on May 1, 2008 at 11:59 AM
did she say anything when she called 911? or was it a call that rang and got disconnected?

Posted by: I'm there 4 U on May 1, 2008 at 11:48 AM
Hasn't the Isthmus heard that Wisconsin has an "Open Records" law? They can petition the courts to get a copy of the 911 transcript and the documentation that follows. Per procedure they have to document if the police/rescue was called and why or why not.

Posted by: Dave Location: Madison on May 1, 2008 at 11:27 AM
I wonder if it was the killer who answered the phone when 911 called back? If not, I can't believe the system isn't set up to automatically call back the number that just dialed in so human error is eliminated.

Posted by: Tim Location: Madison on May 1, 2008 at 11:14 AM
It just goes to show again how worthless Madison Police are. They can't solve a murder(3 unsolved in last year). All they are good for is setting up speed traps. This city is becoming unlivable thanks to rampant crime. Start earning your pay and protect and serve this city. How many more of us will be murdered before you do your jobs?

Posted by: Anonymous on May 1, 2008 at 10:52 AM
No wonder the police have been so tight lipped on their "investigation".

Posted by: K on May 1, 2008 at 10:24 AM
I AGREE WITH PAM!!!!!! i hope this wasn't a careless mistake by someone not taking their job seriously.. seems like people are careless about everything- about other people- their jobs. how depressing

Posted by: Pam on May 1, 2008 at 08:28 AM
If this new info is true, it is very disturbing. She called 911 and no police were dispatched, arent they always dispatched to make sure everyone is OK. Something here went terribly wrong and could've cost this poor girl her life. If someone did something wrong I hope they pay for the mistake, because it was a BIG one.

Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 23, 2008 at 09:40 PM
As a mother who has a daughter living on Doty St., this terrifies me! I over heard my brother in law this weekend say when he was a student in Madison panhandlers/homeless a real problem. Finally, city officials stepped and put a stop to the panhandlers. Cleaned things up/safety. If true, how did this all fall apart again? People, our kids are in danger. I bought pepper spray for my daughter and her 2 roommates and will arm them with a baseball bat since the landlord (dragging feet) his properly replace the bad lock-contacted. But you can't carry a gun in Wisconsin (very controversial issue). I understand and respect the concerns people have-our right. For myself being unarmed, I'm a sitting duck for the criminals. My husband and I have friends who are allowed to carry in the states they live and have had long talks with them about this and the affects. My opinion has now changed on the issue alot! Perhaps I will be called a terrible mother after expressing my view

Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 23, 2008 at 04:04 PM
Whether or not a transient was involved in this murder, it seems there is a very real issue of vagrants breaking into people's homes to ask for money or steal. I certainly wouldn't want this going on in my neighborhood, and the students should not have to put up with it either as part of living downtown. Increased patrols and enforcement appears to be necessary in this neighborhood. If the Guardian Angels are still around Madison, perhaps this is a good place to patrol and spot for break-ins.

Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 23, 2008 at 01:36 PM
When I first read the story about the lease issue, my first thought was: "I bet it's Wisconsin Management Company". Sure enough! I'm glad that he will be let out of the lease, and I thank the media attention because without the publicity, that would not have happened. I know, because I used to rent from WI Management Company. In my experience, they have been extremely negligent to their properties and residents. One morning at 8am, the concrete front step of my building was completely covered in ice - not salted or sanded, and none available. I slipped and hit my back on the edge of the step. The maintenance person I spoke to was very rude and basically said "it's not our job to salt or sand it, and it's too early in the morning to do it". I also had flooding from the roof because they wouldn't shovel the roof, so it melted and caused mold - which they wouldn't come out and fix, and later tried to charge me for it when I moved out.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Madison area on Apr 23, 2008 at 01:23 PM
Anonymous, you're right about condolences for Brittany and her friends & family. I feel horrible as to what happened, and it makes me very sad & also angry that such a bright light was snuffed out. She had everything ahead of her, and she could have helped so many people in her chosen field.

Posted by: JJ Location: madison on Apr 22, 2008 at 06:29 PM
Why? if it is a homeless person it should be easy!

Posted by: Tim Location: wisconsin on Apr 22, 2008 at 06:02 PM
If it is a homeless person who did this, that would explain why the police are having such a hard time solving this murder as well as the others.

Posted by: JJ Location: Madison on Apr 22, 2008 at 03:25 PM
If we had real police this case would have already been closed! Our police have to p----foot around everything! Yes the police have specific guidlines they have to follow but enough is enough! Have you ever saw Chicago Police in Action or NYPD? They handle their business! When the crime is something of this nature they get more aggressive! Im sorry but there is no reason this case and the other homicides should not be solved by now! We need to take a look at our police department and their practices! Starting with who they hire! They are more worried about filling a Qouta than hiring individuals with street knowledge!Compare the new Milwaukee Police Chief, Chief Flynn to Madisons Police Chief Wray! Its a joke!Or compare Wrays resume to Ella Bully-Cummings of the Detroit Police Depatment or any other major department for that matter! We need more aggressive police, we need cops that care, we need action! We do not need cops that are just taking up space! Serve and Protect us Please!

Posted by: John Location: Janesville on Apr 22, 2008 at 12:54 PM
I just hope the information is credible and he's not some wacko trying to inject himself in the investigation and/or trying to work a deal by providing information.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Madison on Apr 22, 2008 at 08:21 AM
He either is or is not the person that killd that woman. If he has a probation violation, then charge him with it, throw the book at him. We need to feel safe again. The Police is doing all they can, but they can not do it all by themselves. IF anyone has seen anything, call it in. If that Guy is the right person, then let's put him away for LIFE. But we can not drag our heels on this, we need to work with law enforcement.

Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 21, 2008 at 05:08 PM
Just saw on another news station it looks like there getting close to catching the scum that did this.I just hope the other unsolved murders will get solved as well.Praying for all the families.

Posted by: scott on Apr 17, 2008 at 09:30 PM
It never seems to amaze me that people can comment, but yet will not leave your name. As if we are afraid someone will know who are. Back your statements with your name. Remember we all are entitled to an opinion. If we are afraid of being criticized for our comments then shut up.

Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 17, 2008 at 01:51 AM
You know.. it's very sad to me that these posts have gone from what should be encouragement and support for Brittany's family and loved ones to a place for people to succomb to judgment, critizism, blame, and in some cases name calling. Please take a minute and think about what you'd want to see if you were in their place before you choose to criticize someone else's thoughts. When I looked through these posts, it's sad that very few of them actually express condolences to Brittany's family and all that loved her. A tragedy has happened in our community. And this is how we "pull together?" With criticism, name calling, judgement and blame. If you choose to live an angry and bitter life, that's your right, but this isn't the time or place for it! Another young, beautiful life was tragically taken. Many thoughts and prayers are with her family and friends during this difficult time.

Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 15, 2008 at 09:49 PM
Police presence only calms pubilc fear but individuals have already reinforced the thought of fear in their minds, thus causing a panic of fear within for no reason. Downtown is not unsafe and should not be percieved in that manner. It takes both; the community and local law enforcement to ensure a safe enviroment.

Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 14, 2008 at 03:29 PM
to Sandy at 1:12 no, you were judging on the fact that someone had enough integrity to keep a private matter private and the blood sucking media was just hungry for a story so they decided to print what would bring them the ratings. and as usual, the ill-informed public fell for it and started condeming people. Denise, again, don't know what you are talking about, extended family or not. I think the grief and outrage leaves people looking for someone to blame, let's think of the family and focus on finding the killer.

Posted by: connie Location: madison on Apr 14, 2008 at 03:08 PM
As a madison resident i don't feel that Wis mgmt did anything wrong. The statement that was first submitted did not say in any mannter that they would not allow Jordan to get out of his lease. Mr. Endres was being courteous to want to talk to the family before making a committment. Don't be so judgemental and look for the bad!

Posted by: B Location: sun prairie on Apr 14, 2008 at 03:02 PM
To Denise: you don't know what you are talking about. I have rented from Wisconsin Management and they have always held their residents concern first. Please don't think it was done for money.

Posted by: denise Location: wi on Apr 14, 2008 at 01:21 PM
i know first hand it was not a slanted story, being extended family of the gonnerings. so, please don't make this rental co. a hero. the co. only folded after all of the bad publicity. there was no compassion for these families, only dollar $. and these are the facts. so, go ahead a judge a way.

Posted by: Sandy Location: Madison on Apr 14, 2008 at 01:12 PM
TO SANDY ~ We were judging based on the statement that Wisconsin Management came out with. I'm sure all of us are happy that they decided to do the right thing!

Posted by: Sandy Location: Madison on Apr 14, 2008 at 11:42 AM
I hope that everyone can now focus on finding out who is responsible for this attack on such a beautiful young girl. It was very unfortunate that people were focusing on a slanted side of a story that made Wisconsin Management appear less than compassionate towards all concerned. I would hope that in the future people could find out all the facts before judging.

Posted by: Jen Location: Madison on Apr 14, 2008 at 11:33 AM
Thanks for doing the right thing Mr. Endres. As a previous poster said - we all need a little more compassion these days. In fact we need a lot mroe compassion. Compassion and consideration and tolerance. This world is turning in to an angry place and each of us can help turn that around.

Posted by: L on Apr 14, 2008 at 11:21 AM
It pays to make our voices heard when some company lacks compassion!!!!

Posted by: susan Location: baraboo on Apr 14, 2008 at 11:03 AM
Wow Mr.Endres...that's pretty crappy of you to enforce this young man to pay for that apartment/flat. Maybe you should offer him another unit FAR away from where he found his loved one killed. I can understand if it was of natural causes; but come on! Be a real man and show some compassion!!!

Posted by: Stacy Location: Madison on Apr 14, 2008 at 10:20 AM
I'm glad I work for a management company that has a heart and would NEVER expect this poor man to remain responsible in a situation like this. If they are worried about "treating everyone equally" then they should make it a company policy that everyone who has a fiance that gets murdered in one of thier aparments gets to terminate thier lease. Or are they worried this would put them out of business. Ridiculous!!!!!

Posted by: J Location: W on Apr 14, 2008 at 10:14 AM
This is straight from their website: Personal Care: What makes us different? We believe it’s the personal care and attention. We do everything we know how to take care of you. It’s only fair. See, we believe that that kindergarten lesson — be fair — can be the most creative, unexpected thing we can give you. Think about it. When’s the last time you rented from a company who took care of you so well you’d dare call them “fair”? Fair means we treat you right. We treat you with respect. Fair means we’re there for you when you need us. If you can say all that about renting with us, then can we be proud of the job we’ve done. Please somebody from this company tell us how you are being fair? How did you treat this situation with respect?

Posted by: Anon Location: Madison on Apr 14, 2008 at 09:54 AM
This sucks, this co pulled the same bs on my family after a relative passed away after living at their complex for 13 yrs, because this relative passed away in the middle of the month they are making the rest of my family pay 2 MONTHS of rent since they are pushing the 60 day notice bit. DONT RENT FROM THIS COMPANY!!!!!!

Posted by: Andrew Location: Middleton on Apr 14, 2008 at 09:27 AM
Wisconsin Management is one of the worst property management companies in the Madison metro area. I find it disgusting that they can't take these tragic circumstances into consideration and make an exception. "Fair and equal" means nothing to this company, based on personal experience renting from them.

Posted by: Lease Location: Madison on Apr 14, 2008 at 09:12 AM
Unfortunatly Mr. Endres is missing something very important these days, campassion. Sadly enough many ppl these days are missing pieces which in my opinion makes them very uphappy and greedy ppl.

Posted by: B Location: MADISON on Apr 14, 2008 at 08:46 AM
Let's boycott wis management! How disgraceful. Madison has 1 murder a year maybe two. I think this guy could make an exception and still be fair. What a Jerk.

Posted by: Mike Location: Madison on Apr 14, 2008 at 08:32 AM
1-800-480-2080, call and ask for Russ's voice mail. And leave a professional message, no swearing, or threating. I just did and it felt great. He is a scum ball call call call call call pass it on post it everywere, make fliers, well dont waste paper on this fool, but get this number out and we all can help mak a small difference.

Posted by: Jer on Apr 13, 2008 at 10:22 PM
Endres says his company must treat its thousands of renters fairly and equally. I agree but how many has lost a loved in the very same apartment. I say it's greed on the part of Wis. Management. I hardly think that all those thousands would complain. How about it Mr. Endres..Step up to the plate and be humane. You'll feel much better inside.

Posted by: Dawn Location: Cuba City on Apr 13, 2008 at 10:06 PM
Seriously, I would like to ask the landlord, Russ Endres, if HE would like to live in the place his significant other was found murdered? I don't think he would find it "fair and equal".

Posted by: Tina Location: Madison on Apr 13, 2008 at 10:03 PM
I have a daughter at the UW-Madison, a son who starts next fall and several nieces/nephews--they all swear they will NEVER rent from this company!! how utterly cruel ...

Posted by: jk Location: pds on Apr 13, 2008 at 07:22 PM
All of you that are complaining about the cops, I have a suggestion: Join the force! They are always hiring and then you can get the job done!

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Madison on Apr 13, 2008 at 06:32 PM
Sadly, I can believe that the Wisconsin Management "slumlords" would do something like this. Downtown rental property owners are the devil and don't care about anyone buy themselves. I hope people stop renting from these guys.

Posted by: Sandy Location: Madison on Apr 13, 2008 at 05:30 PM
I think its ridiculous, too, that they won't let her fiance out of their lease. I understand that the management company has a right to get what they agreed to as far as rent, but c'mon! Have some compassion for the guy. I had an apartment with Wisconsin Management several years ago, and they are a pretty shady company. It doesn't surprise me that its them causing this problem. Maybe if we all contact them, we can do something to help!

Posted by: Big J on Apr 13, 2008 at 05:15 PM
Hey Ralph, what are the basis of your comments? Is it because I don't agree with what you say? I wholeheartedly disagree with the renting company.

Posted by: Julie Location: Janesville on Apr 13, 2008 at 05:04 PM
There are times, Russ Endres, that an exception may need to be made in life and business and this is one. Do you know how callous you sound? If this was your child would you expect them to live in this apartment under these conditions? I would certainly hope not! It likely comes down to greed because it will be hard to rent that property. Have a heart!

Posted by: CL Location: Madison Area on Apr 13, 2008 at 05:01 PM
So according to WI law someone has to fulfill a lease even after death, but what about MURDER?! How can this company seriously expect him to stay there, I mean he is willing to stay with their company just not in that exact place. They are probably scared they won't be able to get anyone else to rent it after what happened. I am so disgusted with this company, if I ever look to rent I will NOT go through them. This Endres guy says he has to treat everyone fairly, what about doing the RIGHT thing?! I sure hope this negative publicity really makes an impact on them!

Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 13, 2008 at 04:40 PM
I just want to say that my heart is so sad about yet another case of a precious life being taken. I didn't know her but she sounds like a remarkable woman and my thoughts and prayers are with her family and loved ones. I have lived in Madison for about 10 months and I must admit that I don't always feel safe here. I live in what is considered a safe neighborhood but it is disturbing to me as a single woman to see stories of random attacks on people, the poor man who was attacked while unloading groceries, and these tragic murders that have occurred since I have moved here. I have lived in other cities but have to admit that there seems to be a lot more "random" cases here and it is very scary. I hope that justice is served in each of these cases so that the friends, family and all those impacted by these crimes can begin to heal from the devastation caused by such troubled people. God Bless and know that you are in the thoughts of so many!

Posted by: Police Vs. System Location: Madison on Apr 13, 2008 at 03:48 AM
As I read through these comments I am somewhat baffelled by how naive the "state of dane" is when it comes to the criminal justice system. If you take some time, do some research, you'll find the law enforcement agencies in Dane County are making tremendous amounts of arrests. Good solid cases, which in anywhere outside of Dane County, would be prosecuted. Many of these cases are being dropped by the district attornies office. All the info is there, you just have to look. The DA's office in Dane County is one of the most liberal I have seen in the 5 state's I've lived in. I can't believe how many cases are being dropped by their office. Then I hear the community complain about how poorly the police do their jobs and don't lock up enough people. Its not a police responsibilty to lock up offenders. Its the court system. Two ideas for Dane County residents to consider: 1. Contact your D.C. Supervisor and tell them to get tough on crime, 2. Elect a new D.A. who prosecutes offenders.

Posted by: CL Location: Madison Area on Apr 12, 2008 at 07:27 PM
I too read that story on the other website and I am totally disgusted!! How can they seriously expect him to stay living there?! Good lord they must be the most heartless people how awful. They should be totally ashamed of themselves and hopefully after all this negative publicity they will change their minds, though it shouldn't take negative publicity to do the right thing, they must just be money hungry...how sad!

Posted by: D Location: Madison on Apr 12, 2008 at 11:03 AM
Good job Madison, this is yet another crime created by the liberals. Letting no good degenerites move in to our city. Providing homeless shelters, and low income housing. F that, it's time to go Republican Madison, and start getting tough on real criminals. This city has a lot of energy, it's focus is just off the mark.

Posted by: K Location: W MADISON on Apr 12, 2008 at 08:31 AM
I TOTALLY AGREE!!! AND THINK IT SHOULD BE POSTED AGAIN-- Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 11, 2008 at 09:02 AM It is not the police who are doing a bad job. It is the mayor who is not providing enough police to DO THE JOB. But, republicans fill their pockets before they pay for services. Hey, let's buy a train!

Posted by: Anon on Apr 11, 2008 at 07:47 PM
I am mortified too. I managed an apt. building where a gal committed suicide (who I had no connection to) and I couldn't deal with that. I couldn't imagine having to live in a place where my loved one was murdered. How callous!!

Posted by: Ralph Location: Madison on Apr 11, 2008 at 04:31 PM
Maybe Annon and Big J will find an excuse for the management company's response to the situation involving the young lady's fiance just like the do for the Madison police. By the way, the mayor is in fact a Democrat. Don't know how you could think he is a Republican considering his policies and initiatives.

Posted by: beth Location: Madison on Apr 11, 2008 at 03:50 PM
I just read on another sight (WMTV) that Wisconsin Management Co is REFUSING to let Brittany's Fiance.. OUT OF THE LEASE..and if he doesn't LIVE THERE he has to pay thru August... ALSO...It stated they will not agree to change the carpets or repaint!!!!!!!!! I am just mortified....

Posted by: Anon on Apr 11, 2008 at 01:30 PM
Do you want to read something that will really make you mad? Read WKOW's website where the management company of the house where Brittany was slain won't let her fiance out of his lease. We are supposed to have compassion for homeless people...what about compassion for the person who found his fiance dead??????

Posted by: Anon on Apr 11, 2008 at 11:28 AM
Big J is right. Helen thrives on being unhappy. She should consider moving out of Madison like John did.

Posted by: DB Location: WI on Apr 11, 2008 at 10:42 AM
To Anonymous, April 11, 9:02 A.M. Let me repeat, the mayor is a democrat!

Posted by: S Location: Madison on Apr 11, 2008 at 10:14 AM
It is definitely a heart breaking tragedy. I do know this person but I really feel much tormented by her loss such a waste of life with so many dreams! I really do hope that person will be brought into justice sooner or later. My sympathy goes with Brittany's parents. I lost a very close person to my heart and I never recovered from his loss. It is amazing how you can hold it together. God bless and I hope your hearts will be healed and filled with the joy of your daughter's memories!

Posted by: John Location: Sauk City on Apr 11, 2008 at 09:33 AM
Helen don't let the liberal, Progressive Dane people get you down. Keep raising your concerns. It is typical response of the liberals to attack when good questions are raised. I moved from Madison two years ago because I felt my neighborhood in an older section on the Madison's north side was not as safe as it use to be. I would agree that Mayor Dave needs to focus on the crime issue but he is a Democrat not a Republican. A tough stance on crime is usually a plank of the Republican party.

Posted by: Helen Location: Madison on Apr 11, 2008 at 09:13 AM
Barb: Who do you think employs the investigators? They are employees of the MPD. I have a BS in criminal justice and a Juris Doctor. I practiced law for 40 years and both prosecuted and defended my fair share of criminal defendants. As such, I am well aware of law enforcement issues and more than competent to render an opinion on the matter. Saying the police are "trying" to protect us is naive. Madison is a small city. The number of unsolved crimes, particularily capital offenses such as murder, is unacceptable. You need to get beyond your emotion and look at the facts. There are simply too many unsolved murders. We all need to ask the question why? If we don't we will never have improvement. But then again, maybe we should be hard on employees who maybe are not performing up to expectation. Big J: Don't worry about knocking the fries out of my hand, I will not be serving you your "happy meal."

Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 11, 2008 at 09:02 AM
It is not the police who are doing a bad job. It is the mayor who is not providing enough police to DO THE JOB. But, republicans fill their pockets before they pay for services. Hey, let's buy a train!

Posted by: This is not CSI Location: Madison on Apr 11, 2008 at 08:24 AM
Ok folks, anyone with the slightest bit of knowledge of criminal justice and the way police do their jobs should know this. This is 101 type stuff. Sometimes in investigations, police must withhold important information on a case because such details can only be cooberated by the actors or persons who have been told such information by the actors. If they released such information to the public then any possible suspect, or possible witness who would only know that information, could not be considered reliable. Solving crimes is not as easy as CSI and Law and Order make it look. There are some very serious conversations that happen when it comes to informing the public about details before press releases are made. If you think its so easy, try it. Nearly 60% of all people who try to become cops are gone within 5 years of hire because it is such a demanding profession. You don't tell your dentist how to clean your teeth so don't tell the cops how to solve a homicide. Thank you.

Posted by: Big J on Apr 11, 2008 at 06:32 AM
Thank you Barb. Some people just don't get it. Helen is the type of person that is just happpy being unhappy and complaining. If I was jerk, I'd knock the fries out of her hand when she served them to me.

Posted by: Dennis Location: Cross Plains on Apr 10, 2008 at 04:44 PM
What was the Madison Police Department thinking when it withheld the information about a forced entry from the public? As someone employed in our judicial system, I cannot understand the basis for such a decision. I hope all of you who have pledged your support to the Madison Police Department give the latest information some thought. I am not one to bash law enforcement but this, in my opinion, is inexcusable.

Posted by: Barb on Apr 10, 2008 at 04:29 PM
Helen, Its not the MPD who solve murders, its the investigators. The next time something happens to you, do what Anon at 3:21 said, don't call the cops for any help if you think they are doing such a bad job. You know its people like you who give Police a bad name. They are just doing their job like you do yours. Assuming you have one. What If I said oh Helen you are just terrible at your job. Dan in and Day out. and just break you down day by day. These Police are trying to protect us. And for you to think they are not doing a good job, thats sad. The reason they don't give out a lot of information at once is b/c if you give out too much information, the 'suspect' will play along and change everything he/she has done or will do.

Posted by: Helen Location: Madison on Apr 10, 2008 at 04:27 PM
To Anon: I wouldn't expect the MPD to be there in the first place and I would not expect them to solve the crime. To MPD: How does withholding information on a forced entry assist in the solving of a murder? Anon: Maybe you should give some thought to this comment before you go off again on your baseless defense of the MPD. Additionally, look at the statistics. Being informed is not a bad thing.

Posted by: Joe Location: Madison on Apr 10, 2008 at 03:49 PM
Everyone be sure and lock your doors extra tight last week! I hope someone gets fired for withholding that information for the sake of investigation.

Posted by: Anon on Apr 10, 2008 at 03:21 PM
Helen, do us all a favor. If anybody tries to break your door down---remember all of your anti-MPD statements. Then DON'T call the cops. Thank you.

Posted by: Helen Location: Madison on Apr 10, 2008 at 09:33 AM
Thank you for the statistics. Those of you who still think the MPD is doing a good job need to reconsider. Compare the unsolved murders to the number of murders in the City during the same time period and you will find that an alarming percentage are unsolved. It is time for all of us to be concerned.

Posted by: B on Apr 9, 2008 at 05:58 PM
Thanks for the statistics, Anonymous 12:53. That means we have 6 killers (give or take) running around out there--who tried to pull a fast one--wasting thousands and thousands of our taxpayer dollars! Instead of blaming the MPD we should blame them and ask them to confess up to their crimes. Hmmm......

Posted by: anonymous Location: madison on Apr 9, 2008 at 12:53 PM
6 unsolved muder cases since june 07. They are as follows Brittany Zimmerman 21 killed 4-2-08. Joel Marino 31 killed 1-28-08 stabbed. Larry Gardner 56 Killed 11-21-07 gunshot. George Thomas 56 killed 8-22-07 Stabbed Kevin Cobbins 26 killed 7-28-07 Gunshot(suspect James Bohanan Fled) Kelly Nolan 22 killed unknown last seen 6-23-07 found 7-9-07 unknown cause of death

Posted by: Sal on Apr 9, 2008 at 11:30 AM
I was happy to read such wonderful things Brittany's parents had to say. I give them so much credit for what they are doing in her honor.

Posted by: j Location: mpls on Apr 9, 2008 at 10:36 AM
Brittany was truthfully one of the most radiant people I've ever had the privilege to know. She was harmless...it illustrates the senselessness of this tragedy. Justice simply needs to happen.

Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 9, 2008 at 10:03 AM
instead of all the time wasted on publishing hear say, spend more time investigating what has happened, we have 7 unsolved murders in the last few years, why are things such a mystery here?

Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 8, 2008 at 02:10 PM
Hey Anonymous---I am anonymous too but that doesn't mean I posted your comments. Same for D probably.

Posted by: D on Apr 8, 2008 at 02:00 PM
Many people use "D" just like many people use Anonymous. Sorry you couldn't figure that out.

Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 8, 2008 at 01:51 PM
Hey D, I find it interesting that you cut down on reading comments. However the fact remains you have no problem posting 5 comments.,.

Posted by: D on Apr 8, 2008 at 12:24 PM
Comments should stick to the story. I wish to read comments about this story. Not about racism. That is another whole topic. I have cut down reading comments due to the fact they aren't related and most are stupid.

Posted by: kk on Apr 8, 2008 at 12:01 PM
Okay to all of you writing the idiot comments on the issue of the police and etc. What the heck is wrong with you, if all you have to do in life is complain, then you might as well be just like the coward who did this. We can't say who didi this terrible crime, nor can we blame the police for it. This is exactly what the killer want, is for Madison and the surrounding communities to start fighting to become the like the coward himself. Its time you all grow UP. Start helping the police by providing any info, when the family seen these comments, it hurt them to see that this murderer is causing sooo much hate. That's the problem with the murderer themself, is they have so much hate, they commited this crime. GROW UP PEOPLE. We are America, come together and unite as one,not against each other.

Posted by: not-so-private Location: Madison on Apr 8, 2008 at 11:52 AM
Hey private in Madison - don't pick on NBC for letting us post our comments. They're just letting us have our say. Nobody should be the thought police! Say what you want... at least they let you comment (unlike some other places!!!)

Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 8, 2008 at 11:27 AM
I feel for the family, but I knew once the story got out their would be a race war. Not only is her family being affect but the uw campus is too. With this horrible accident happening in the spring, I am wonder if it is going to here the campus. I know begin a parent, I would be thinking twice before sending my child to the uw.

Posted by: private Location: Madison on Apr 8, 2008 at 11:21 AM
NBC, do you check over the comments before you list them? It's states (Submit Your Comment for Approval). I guess your approving some pretty aweful comments. My suggestion is please review these comments ONCE again before posting because there are some very offending opinions on this webpage. I know I do have a choice not to read your webpage but there are some very touching thoughts from some and that's why I come and read it. Thank you, Please double check before posting even if it is my comment...:O)

Posted by: D on Apr 8, 2008 at 10:17 AM
Wow, if I was Brittany's parents/family/friends I would be depressed reading all of these unrelated racial issues etc. after they just buried their loved one. Obviously, people thrive on other people's tragedy to vent other social issues. What a shame!!

Posted by: Big J on Apr 8, 2008 at 06:57 AM
Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 6, 2008 at 11:07 PM "Big J acka$$ It most certainly took alot of mentality to come up with that comment. Another friend of the cop community none the less." How witty of a response. Thank you for proving my point.

Posted by: mark Location: madison on Apr 7, 2008 at 11:07 PM
Well it is amazing. You speak the truth and you get labelled. Hey j.j. what makes you think I'm black? my comments? I'm 38 and white any questions? I do agree with regards to more tuition or any tuition period for minorities over whites. But is that still fair? Let's be fair,that's all I ask. Remember to not assume ones color based on comments. To annon apr 7 1:29&1:49 you are right about the tuition and thats not fair and once again do not assume race. Notice how all those who ripped on me because of the truth? You all make excellent points but you do not see me assuming anything. Once again I wish some of you(some have) would do your homework before commenting with assumptions.

Posted by: D Location: Marshfield on Apr 7, 2008 at 10:36 PM
I just wanted to send my sympathy to the family of Brittany. This is not life's normal process. You should never have to bury your children. Unfortunately, your life will never be the same. From the amount of people at the funeral - you have many family and friends. Lean on them when you need to - they will be there for you. My heart will go out to you for many years to come. Good luck in your long hard journey thru this.

Posted by: pete Location: Madison on Apr 7, 2008 at 09:11 PM
Madison liberals have created this problem with "we care" stuff. They only care about themselves to get gov $$ for their projects to support their own jobs in the name of caring.... We do need to help people in this world but we also have to take care of people who live in the area and find balance in politics. I live on state st and have been dealing with homeless for 2 years here @ UW. I can wait to move out of this Alice in Wonderland dream town and it is no dreamland at all! I may go to another school next year but it is hard with being close to grad date.

Posted by: B Location: Madison on Apr 7, 2008 at 04:39 PM
I just wanted to add that my aunt who lives in Milwaukee, asked me the other day if they caught the serial killer in Madison. Nice. I'm glad Madison has such a great reputation now. Oh and please stop the racist comments you are only making yourself look stupid.

Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 7, 2008 at 03:06 PM
regardless of the color of the girl her life was cut way to short. the problem with this country is that in the past the whites had it better. Now everyone should be treated equal; but if you are white and rich or black and poor you are still better of than a middle class person. As my father to me growing up; middle class people are the working poor. Yes they work and bring home a pay check, but they are just as poor as the poor people who do not work. We need to find a way to make it equal for all requardless of color or gender.

Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 7, 2008 at 01:49 PM
Mark! your comments really tick me off!!Maybe you can get yourself a can of "white paint" and a paint brush,(try buying it before stealing it) that way if anything happens to you, YOU will have the media coverage you're looking for.

Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 7, 2008 at 01:29 PM
Thats right, A pretty white middle class college girl who had her life taken away. Then there are the pretty black middle class college girl who also had her life taken away Mark. The difference? The pretty Black middle class college girl had her TUITION AND HOUSING PAID FOR FROM THE STATE!!

Posted by: madison resident on Apr 7, 2008 at 01:25 PM
Mark, i think what the difference is that the whole country heard about the uw murder. when you are tring to get students from other states and cities; and you have a murder on campus it looks really bad for the school. The other neighborhoods are problems, because the resident not fight for their rights. Just because you move to a bad neighborhood, doens't mean that it needs to stay that way.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Madison on Apr 7, 2008 at 12:45 PM
What a Terrible Tragedy. But i hope that who ever is responsible for this has no peace of Mind. We have excellent Police here, and they will catch up with the Person responsible. Now so many People are angry at the Police, WHY. They are doing the best they can. Our Leaders should concentrate on taking care of the homeless problem a lot better then they have been. I am not saying that a homeless person did this, but read between the lines here. If anyone would come near my Door i would call the Police,

Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 7, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Mark why are you so concerned about this coverage. It does'nt matter if she would have been black anyways. The cops can't solve a murder if this person was black, white, purple or yellow.

Posted by: madison resident on Apr 7, 2008 at 12:13 PM
The problem does not rest on the shoulder of the police department; it rest on the judical system here in dane county. The police arrest the criminal, but the courts are the one responsible for the sentancing. I think that our courts are why to easy on the criminals in the area. I fell for our officers here in madison. It is a kick in the face to arrest someone for a crime and then to see the judge let them off. They have a job with low pay and high stress.

Posted by: JJ on Apr 7, 2008 at 12:05 PM
Boy are you and idiot mark. You racist fool. If you want to go in that direction look at all the government assistance you black people get. I bet if this white girl got any tuition, if she would have been black she would have gotten alot more.

Posted by: Lease Location: Madison on Apr 7, 2008 at 09:39 AM
JUlie I totally agree with you. The more we talk about these crimes and let others know that we will not let down til justice is served is a strong point. I am still praying for Brittanys family and friends, this is a hard time for them please remember them with all the negs posts I see.

Posted by: mark Location: madison on Apr 7, 2008 at 09:08 AM
First off, my sympathy to the family. Now what is truly amazing about this story is the media hype and the numerous comments from so many people. Why? Because she is a pretty white middle class college student in downtown madison. You would not see the coverage so intense with a black student. You would not see the coverage so intense if it happened in a bad neighborhood(allied,cypress way etc) because most people expects bad things to happen in bad neighborhoods and that is sad. Before you all try and rip on this statement, do your homework and look up the unsolved homicides in madison(5 or 6) 3 of which are black men. Do we still hear about the progress with those? No! They chose to(or did they) to live in bad neighborhoods so we should just let it go by the wayside. This is the attitude of most people. We don't expect murders or serious crimes in downtown right? WAKE UP PEOPLE. Alot will disagree with this and it's your right, but think about this because it is so sadly true.

Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 6, 2008 at 11:07 PM
Big J acka$$ It most certainly took alot of mentality to come up with that comment. Another friend of the cop community none the less.

Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 6, 2008 at 03:04 PM
cops friend you're a MORON.

Posted by: Julie Location: Mpls on Apr 6, 2008 at 01:36 PM
First, my thoughts and prayers are with Brittney's family in this hard time. I didn't know her, but she didn't deserve this. My son is a student that lives downtown Madison. As a mom and adult, in my opinion, I think residents there should do two things: 1. Since there are 80 comments here, I think everyone should make it a point for Brittney's sake, and for all residents of Madison, to write or call all media outlets, and KEEP this story in the spotlight, until it is resolved, and to remind people to be safe. (The ONLY national media that I saw cover it on TV was Fox, on one show). And 2) be SURE to voice your opinions on Election Day, if you feel the city is not controlling crime as best as they can. Just my opinion.

Posted by: Big J on Apr 6, 2008 at 12:17 PM
To all the people crying about the Police, and how their magic crystal murder solving ball, isn't working correctly. How about you stop typing about how they are doing such a bad job and go join the force? How about you go about some vigilante justice? Oh yeah... that's right... you just sit at the computer, talk s*** about the problem, but have NO ATTEMPT AT ALL to bring a solution. If you're going to sit and cry about it, and not bring a solution, just shut the hell up.

Posted by: TIM on Apr 6, 2008 at 12:17 AM
To cops friend 3:03p.m. It is commendable you hold the MPD in the highest regard. However when you start foaming at the mouth about nuisance calls taking up so much time, Is that not what a regular patrol officer is for? Or do you not have a copy of the know it all reference book Anonymous is referring to april 4th at 5:37p.m.?

Posted by: second-amendment-sister Location: Sauk/Prairie on Apr 5, 2008 at 08:40 PM
So many people have touched on the real issue here. Madison, in its liberal attitude has gone soft on crime. The WHOLE state has gone soft on crime. We in Wisconsin are now looking to our government to solve our problems. We expect the police to be beside us and save us. We are accepting the control of Milwaukee and Madison to protect us! We are becoming a NANNY state. Do you people really want Mom and Pop looking over your every move? OH, I forgot, THEY PAY for your every move! We HAVE the RIGHT to defend ourselves in any way we can-- It is GOD given. EVERY creature has the right to defend itself, unless it lives in WISCONSIN!! Our government will NOT be there. It is UP TO US! BRITTANY WAS MURDERED. Her life was STOLEN from her. I do not know her or her family, I just know this should NOT have happened.

Posted by: cops friend Location: Madison on Apr 5, 2008 at 03:03 PM
For those who insist that the Police are doing a terrible job or not doing their job at all, concider the number of people living in Madison vs. the number of Police we have to protect us. You scream for justice and question where the Police are and why they are not doing their jobs, they are proably busy taking calls from idiots like you who waste their time with a barking dog complaint or the neighbor kid's music being too loud. When the City of Madison requests additional funds to create more positions and increase patrol you are the first ones to complain. If you don't like how your tax dollars are being spent, then by all means.......MOVE AWAY!!! This isn't CSI and this case and the others will not be solved in an hour with Grissom at the helm. Get a grip and let the Police do their jobs.

Posted by: blamechi Location: chicago on Apr 5, 2008 at 01:13 AM
you folks here in WI have been a target for many years. i have heard many folks at bars in chi say if i get in trouble go to madison WI to get away and make a buck! this town has created this problem by not being tough on crime.

Posted by: Joe Location: Madison on Apr 4, 2008 at 11:11 PM
I don't want to point fingers or anything but I'm sick of these transient people who leach off of society. The same people sit on State St. every day asking for money when there are help wanted signs all over. We can get rid of them by closing our wallets. They've harassed me and my wife numerous times and I'm sick of it. They're like a drunk gang and worst part about it, the police act friendly to them. Look what happens when the police actually check their records, they have warrants for their arrest. As far as I'm concerned, if people are walking around with warrants, and because I pay the police salary via taxes, I want those people off the streets. Therefore, I say that the police do not do a sufficient job in keeping the streets clean. Being too lenient and letting public intoxication and harassment go unpunished, sets up the possibility of worse crime. Madison is mad up of students, professionals, and people who spend their days thinking about exploiting Madison's hardworking.

Posted by: Sara Location: Madison on Apr 4, 2008 at 09:12 PM
First off, I want to say that my most heartfelt sympathy goes out to Brittany's family, and I hope some closure can be brought soon. Secondly, I think it's amusing that so many of the people who have posted here apparently know everything there is about conducting a murder investigation. The police are doing all they can with what they've got to work with so far, there's no way to tell when or if something like this will happen again, and when information that needs to be given out to the general public comes about, I'm sure we'll be told. Yes there seems to be an upswing in crime in Madison, but given the times we're in it's par for the course, and really we don't have it nearly as bad as other cities. All we can do is be safe, pay attention to what's going on around us, and be smart when we're out and about- all things we should do anyway.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Madison, WI on Apr 4, 2008 at 08:17 PM
This is horrifically sad. I feel for Brittany's friends and family. I can't believe Madison is turning into a city where innocent people are dissapearing and are being murdered in their own homes, and no longer just once in awhile. I would like NBC15 to have an update page on these types of issues. I want Brittany's murdered found. However lets also not forget we are still looking for Joel Marino's murder. For Kelly Nolan's murder. How Amos Mortier disappeared etc etc. The list keeps getting longer and longer. How are these cases progressing or are they closed? Let's all be vigiliant and try to protect our city the best we can by all watching out for ourselves and our fellow citizens.

Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 4, 2008 at 06:23 PM
What edition of the know it all reference book are you specifically looking for Anon?

Posted by: K.A on Apr 4, 2008 at 06:11 PM
I seem to be getting the impression alot of people are blaming Madison PD for killing Brittany..... why dont you focus on the real issue here?? A young girl was brutally murdered. insteed of using your time to bad mouth the police why dont you go solve the murder your self....see how hard it really is? i guess if you were a police office you would understand. my dad is one of the officers on this case. i my self a collge kid that lives down town. You think that he wants this person on the streets. NO!! But they only know so much, these things take time. so please if you have information please tell them. Wheater you think it is important or not call the tip line. Again if you think that you can do a better job go solve it your self.... other wise back off the police please.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Madison on Apr 4, 2008 at 05:37 PM
Our law enforcement does a terrific job! To those of you who seem to have all the right answers and solutions to every problem maybe you should apply. I know the City of Madison hires a few times a year. Be sure to bring your Superman cape and know-it-all reference book.

Posted by: ConcernedNMadison Location: Madison on Apr 4, 2008 at 05:06 PM
In response to k Apr 3, 2008@2:16 pm. i am a male and also live on the west side of madison, living here for nearly five years alone. I no longer feel safe in this city either, constantly looking over my shoulder and being aware of what is going around me.I do carry a boxcutter with me wherever i go should something arise.I am going to protect myself and my kids,along with any other innocent victims I may run across, at any expense!My condolences to the Zimmerman family.

Posted by: Helen Location: Madison on Apr 4, 2008 at 04:19 PM
This is not about being able to foresee crime. This is about solving crime once it occurs. In that given area of the City you could have University Police, Capitol Police and the MPD. I agree that this area should not be hard to patrol. MPD acknowledges aggressive panhandling in the area but don't do anything. Then, once a girl is murdered they start asking panhandlers questions and find out that some are wanted on outstanding warrants. It should not take a murder to haul people in on outstanding warrants. Particularily when the area has had problems. The MPD has and will continue to have a problem unless there is a change.

Posted by: DB Location: WI on Apr 4, 2008 at 04:06 PM
To Anonymous - 4/4/08 2:40PM Ummmm, the mayor is a democrat.

Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 4, 2008 at 03:35 PM
Police need to get on this case. This is the saddest thing ever. There has been way too many unsolved murder mysteries in the Madison area. God bless the family and my prayers are with you.

Posted by: Sal on Apr 4, 2008 at 03:29 PM
The police don't speak for themselves because they are busy trying to find the killer(s) in this city. Many of these officers have children of their own--do you think they want killers on the loose? They are the ones who have to discover many crime scenes and try to solve them. I'll bet not one of those officers went home that night (or whenever) feeling unaffected by this horrific and sad situation. Then to constantly bash them is really unnecessary. What people can do is lock your doors, stay in groups etc., etc. Thank you MPD for doing the best you can with the evidence you have!

Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 4, 2008 at 02:42 PM
The police don't even speak for themselves any more. They hired this Joe Desplain guy to talk for them. He is a retired anchorman for heaven's sake! All he ever says is, "The police are working on it and this seems to be an isolated occurence, not a random act."

Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 4, 2008 at 02:40 PM
Murder is just the far end of what goes on every day down town. We have a downtown area that is bordered on two sides by water and is probably 100 acres with a major university and a capital square with in the boundaries. How can this be so hard to patrol? It can't be done with the number of police we have. I think that the mayor is pocketing money through special interest projects. Have we forgotten, he is a REPUBLICAN!! He has to take care of his friends.

Posted by: Tom on Apr 4, 2008 at 02:34 PM
This isn't Minority Report (the movie with Tom Cruise) No pre crime is set up, our cops are not psychic and until they can see the future and predict terrible crimes from happening....they ARE going to happen! It's not thier fault, just as it was not her fault. The only person responsible is the person who did this. Other crimes can only be blamed on those individuals as well. So until you all can predict the future..give our cops a break for not being able to either!

Posted by: G Location: Madison on Apr 4, 2008 at 01:19 PM
Big J: I'm a Madison grad. I live and work here, and the MPD are doing a terrible job. Yeah, the city is has 250k people living in it, but what are we up to now 7 unsolved murders? If the MPD and the city were doing so great, why did a bunch of the districts in the city have meetings with the mayor and wray to demand more police? Yeah, that's right cause they're doing a great job.

Posted by: mary Location: madison on Apr 4, 2008 at 01:12 PM
if the killer leaves behind little to no significant evidence, have no fingerprints or dna on file, and no witnesses (or no one willing to come forward), the police will have little to lead on. they need clues and apparently, this killer didn't leave much behind for them catch them. speculate all you want, but it's evidence that's needed. don't be so quick to blame the police. it's not like how it is on CSI or Law and Order on TV where almost everything works like clockwork. i'm sure the police wants to catch this killer as much as or even more so than everyone here. so let them do their job--bashing them is not gonna make this any better.

Posted by: Helen Location: Madison on Apr 4, 2008 at 12:19 PM
Those of you who belive the Madison Police Department is doing a good job need to come to grips with reality. The Madison Police Department is doing a relatively poor job. This is not a big city with a lot of crime. However the crime that does occur remains unsolved. We have two murders in busy parts of the city during daylight hours a few months apart. No suspects, nothing. Additionally, there are numerous other crimes that remain unsolved. Look at the statistics.

Posted by: 2asister Location: Sauk/Prairie on Apr 4, 2008 at 12:05 PM
It is virtually imposible for the PD to be everywhere all the time. This is why we are our own "first responders." In that we must remember that "Self Defense is a Basic Human Right." Any state that doesn't allow us to exercise that right with whatever means we find comfortable, violates our right to life! Brittany was in her HOME!

Posted by: Big J on Apr 4, 2008 at 10:58 AM
M: You're a UW grad? With that statement, I have trouble believing that. Seriously, you sound like a fool. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to clean up EVERYTHING in a city with 250,000 people? Didn't think so. The MPD is doing great. Someone could randomly shoot or stab or whatever someone at anytime. The police dont have a crystal ball. You need a grip on reality. You're the same person that if there was a vehicular homicide, you would be on here crying about... "they don't patrol the beltline or streets well enough". Jeez...

Posted by: B Location: Madison on Apr 4, 2008 at 10:43 AM
What a horrible tradgedy, my heart truly goes out to Brittnay's family and friends. She seems like she was truly a great person and it is a shame that she was taken away from us so soon. As for people who are bashing people for making statements about the Madison PD. I think people are just frustrated (myself included)that the crime rate in Madison has literally skyrocketed in the past few years. I have been a resident since 1999 and I have seen a dramatic change over the past 3-4 years. We currently have 3 unsolved murders w/ no suspects or material leads. This scares me and alot of the people in the community. I know that murders, rapes, and burgaries are bigger city problems, but then the police, mayor and city council then need to realize Madison is now a larger city and deal with those problems accordingly. I feel that we have a JV team of police that are guarding a Varsity city. Please step up enforcement and keep Madison safe. Also residents please do your part!!

Posted by: 2asister Location: Sauk/Prairie on Apr 4, 2008 at 10:29 AM
To Student at 8:28-- I'm trying again My thumb hit the wrong key! I hate that! What I was trying to say was that allowing concealed carry protects EVERYONE because no one knows who's carrying. Also, I said "qualified" people. Training is the qualification. Do you know it's legal in WI to carry in the open? Check Wisconsin's gun laws.

Posted by: Connie Location: Madison on Apr 4, 2008 at 10:24 AM
To "M" and every other moron blaming the police...they are doing their jobs the best they know how with the limited money, staff, and resources they have. If you think you can do a better job, then become a police officer and show us how it is done. Do you ever think that there are not enough police around because the city can't afford to hire more? Maybe writing tickets is a good way to get more money to hire more police. A young girl's life was taken and all you can do is complain about the police. I'm sure the family wouldn't like to hear that incompetent cops are trying to solve their daughter's murder. Show a little respect and try showing a little support for your community.

Posted by: Pete Location: Madison on Apr 4, 2008 at 10:19 AM
You guys are right on that not all homeless are problems. OK may be I thought cause of this PC world not to say who is the problem in the homeless im Mad-town. PEACE PARK is the drug addicts hangout and they are mostly from Milw-Chi......they bother everyone and I do talk to homeless people and they to are scared of these guys. They hear their plans to mug students. And I am not spreading fear. have you heard the police reports.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Point on Apr 4, 2008 at 10:15 AM
To all of you, please stop bashing the police in the Madison area, they are doing everything possible to find Brittany's killer and to bring justice to whoever it is. This is not a T.V show where all the clues jump out at you pointing to the killer. They need time and cooperation from the area. Let them do there job by finding the culprit who did this. And most of all instead of bashing the police, let us know that your praying for us and Brittany. Stop the hate, name calling, and finger pointing as to who is doing there job. We as a STATE, community, and most of all GOD's Family need to stick together at a time like this. It very devasting to OUR family and friends that we stick together. God will us help find the culprit who did this, and justice will prevail. Once again, please pray for our family and Brittany that justice will be served. What is the world coming to, it needs to stop, we need to turn to prayer and God now. And as always God Bless our Family, friends and all.

Posted by: M Location: Madison on Apr 4, 2008 at 08:56 AM
I feel the police are not doing their job in Madison and should be held accountable for not focusing on the safety of people. They seem as a group more focused on writing speeding tickets, givng out drinking tickets & any kind of ticket to increase revenue. I think it is pathetic. I do not feel that the police offer any protection. I am afraid the students are going to have to gather together & protect themselves. I am a UW graduate from years ago and am a concerned parent. Our city is so controlled by too many fractions of people on the common council. They are not willing to put money into procection of our students and the citizens. All of you downtown residents stick together as you will have to handle protection on your own. Learn everything you can about self defense. Form community groups. Stick togehter. Do not count on the sadly lacking misguided and under staffed police force for protection.

Posted by: Student Location: madison on Apr 4, 2008 at 08:28 AM
I don't think that carrying concealed weapons is the answer. Adding more guns doesn't stop violence! You are more likely to be killed with your own gun than by a criminals. That aside, my prayers are with the Zimmerman family. A bright light darkened too soon. May justice be brought to this family.

Posted by: Madi Location: East Madison on Apr 4, 2008 at 08:21 AM
Pete...sweeping blanket statments are not helpful and fear inducing to people who don't know better. I have lived here all my life. I also have worked with the homeless population etc., and like in any group, there are good and bad. Just because some man asked for help from W.O.R.T. staff doesn't mean the killer is homeless or that that person was that man. What it does mean is regardless of who you think you know, how safe you think you are some caution is alway wise w/ people. Most homeless people are not so by choice, are not drug addicts, drunks, or losers. Heaven help most of us these days who are literally a month or two away from a similar fate if jobs, health and other circumstances prevent us from keeping things together. Your experience of people and your assumptions or limited view do not constitute "Knowing". More often than not, victims knew the person who killed them on some level. Fewer murders are random acts of violence than not. Just lets all pray for her family.

Posted by: Haley Location: Marshfield on Apr 4, 2008 at 08:16 AM
I met Brittany the day her mother brought her home from the hospital and the minute I saw her I new she would be a very special little girl. Brittany grew up to be a kind, loving, giving young lady that had so much to look forward to in her life and has been taken away from her family in the crulest way I can think of. This is a devesting tragedy that will scar the Marshfield community for years to come. It is sad to think that if the case is solved, there will never be any "justice" because the bottom line is that there will never be another Brittany Sue Zimmermann. My heart aches for the family and wish I had words to comfort them, but there are not any. I am a parent myself and I can not even wrap my mind around the loss and devestation the family is feeling today and in the years to come or the holidays, birthdays, Brittany's wedding date, her graduation. The Zimmermann family will need the support of many people in our community. All my love and prays are with all of you.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Sun Prairie on Apr 4, 2008 at 06:45 AM
My heart goes out the family and friends that are impacted by the loss of Brittany. I think wthe most important thing that we can do now is not to point fingers at the homeless or the police not protecting us but look to how we as individuals can prevent this from happening again. I totally agree with 2asister. When I used to walk to work downtown from a public parking ramp, there always was someone drunk in the ramp or following me asking for money. I ended up carrying a knife on my keychain. I will not be a victim when I can choose to control a situation. I think we have a right to be vigilant.

Posted by: M Location: Main Street on Apr 4, 2008 at 12:21 AM
My prayers go out for Brittney and her family. This murder has deeply affected my husband and I. We live on the same block as Brittney. While we did not know her, it's unsettling to think something so vicious happened so close. We have always condsidered the area very safe, but I guess this is a big reality check. While the madison police may have their faults, i think they need the support from the community to help solve this horrible case. Bashing them does not get us anywhere. Let's stand strong together as a community and work to prevent future attacks from happening.

Posted by: 2asister Location: SaukPrairie on Apr 3, 2008 at 10:05 PM
No words can relieve this horrid tragedy. All of our hearts go out to the saddened family. We are continually told "there is no crime here." We assume the police will be there to protect us. How many of us realize there is NO requirement for the police to protect us? They are NOT our personal first responders. We need to be our own first responders. This is one of only TWO states that do not allow qualified individuals to have concealed weapons of self defense. This horrible loss may not have happened if the perp had wondered- "Could she be carrying or not?" CCW protects EVERYONE even those who would never consider carrying a pistol. It's time for change in Wisconsin.

Posted by: Denise Location: Bloomer on Apr 3, 2008 at 08:42 PM
To Brittany's family, my heart aches for you. My regret is not knowing Brittany before she married her love(my cousin). The tragedy of this is a living nightmare. I cannot understand how this could happen to such a young, beautiful girl. My love and prayers are for both families. I am so, so very sorry for you horrific loss.

Posted by: Julie Location: WI on Apr 3, 2008 at 07:42 PM
My daughter is also the same age and at a University not far from Madison when I heard this on the news I was sick and all I could think of was calling my daughter and telling her to please be cautious this could happen anywhere. My thoughts and prayers go out to Brittany's family and friends. Please work diligently to catch the person or persons who have committed this horrible crime.

Posted by: S Location: Madison on Apr 3, 2008 at 06:40 PM
My prayers go out to the zimmerman family and friends. I'm so sorry for your loss. I am also a student who lives in Madison. I'm so sorry for your loss.

Posted by: Pete Location: Madison on Apr 3, 2008 at 06:22 PM
wow, to read some of the negative comments at my post should not come as a shock to call me names when I speak the turth of events that I have seen and have had to deal with the homeless. Many..... Many students have had the same thoughts and have seen the same stuff on state st. It is not racist to call it as you really see it on campus with the people who come to this city to prey on others.

Posted by: mom Location: waunakee on Apr 3, 2008 at 06:18 PM
PEOPLE...stop placing blame...the sick person responsible is to blame!! that being said..because we have had 3 unsolved murders in such a short period of time in such a small area...THERE IS A PROBLEM...and we need more police protection...please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I also have children of college age living downtown..and they are like evey other person at that age...not as concerned as we are as mothers, and fathers...that is to be expected...

Posted by: Beth Location: Madison on Apr 3, 2008 at 02:36 PM
My daughter is the same age is a STUDENT and WORKS downtown.. SHE looks like her!! and lives in the same area!!!! I can't stop shaking... PLEASE do all you can to solve this Horrible Crime!! My heart goes out to her family and I can't imagine what they must be going through!! :-(

Posted by: k Location: west madison on Apr 3, 2008 at 02:16 PM
first of all- my heart goes out to the Zimmermann family. this is soo scary. i have lived alone in madison for 3 years, and nothing has scared me. until now. i know i'm a target- female by myself, so i am VERY cautious of what i do, ALWAYS locking my doors in my apt and my vehicle, always having my keys in hand.. well lit areas, knowing my surroundings, etc. but now i'm considering buying a gun. what's happening to good ole wholesome Madison!!!!!!!!????????

Posted by: claire on Apr 3, 2008 at 01:57 PM
This goes out to all of the Madison police department...Please, please do all you can, and then more, to find justice for Brittany. This girl was a shining star, and a gift to the world. Tradgically, someone took her away from us...this person needs to be found. I'm begging you, PLEASE HELP!

Posted by: K on Apr 3, 2008 at 01:48 PM
Our condolences to the family. Madison is a great town. Murders can and do happen everywhere, whether or not you blame the most committed police for it. The Madison police are not to blame for a random killing like this one, and I hope that they are able to track the killer down and bring them to justice.

Posted by: tina on Apr 3, 2008 at 01:42 PM
This message is to Pete... Pete you are such a freaking moron. This family is grieving and you are blaming anybody and everybody under the sun for what happened to this poor young lady. Did you see anyone commit this crime? Why would you stereotype people? That's not fair... You need to get off the crack and stop making ridiculous comments. This isn't helping. The person that did this is still out there and that person could be your NEIGHBOR! Trust no one....

Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 3, 2008 at 01:33 PM
VERY WELL SAID...ANONYMOUS 12:54PM. Too many people just like to complain on how "other people" do their jobs. My prayers go out to the Zimmermann family.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Madison on Apr 3, 2008 at 12:54 PM
Please remember that we aew not here to argue about what madison police can or cannot do. A beautiful, vibrate young woman was taken out of this world. We as a community shold be commming together to offer much needed support to the police and community. As a person that knew Brittany, i find it very upsetting that the community does not trust madison PD to do thier job. Please just stop the argueing. this is a difficult time for her family and friends. If you are not here to support them and madison PD please do not leave a message, go on with your day. Thank you, May Prayers be with you all!

Posted by: M Location: Madison on Apr 3, 2008 at 12:16 PM
My job brings me through the campus area between midnight and 3am, and I ALWAYS see students walking alone. It's scary- the chances people take. There are so many crazy people out there. We can't blame the police department for the violence but we can be displeased with how they respond to it. We can make it harder to be a target by walking in groups. The scary thing is, it sounds like this girl was in the safety of her own home. Prayers to her family!

Posted by: John Location: Madison on Apr 3, 2008 at 12:15 PM
As taxpayers we need to demand some changes in the Madison Police Department. I have heard far too often stories similar in nature to that conveyed by Alexandra. How many more young people have to be murdered before someone shakes up this department.

Posted by: D on Apr 3, 2008 at 11:48 AM
Helen, instead of knocking the MPD on their work since you obviously don't seem to think they have done a good enough job, why don't you stand down on State St. and see if you can solicit the murderer to come forward? You seem to have all the answers.

Posted by: Ross Location: Madison (West Doty) on Apr 3, 2008 at 11:39 AM
I agree that jumping to conclusions of who did this is ridicules but if this does turn up being a random act of violence and even if it doesn’t it makes you think how the Madison police are so proud they are stopping underage drinking in the Madison area (which there not) When they should be worried about the more serious crimes and people who are more a threat to society then college students who drink at their house. In short I would rather “risk my own life” drinking then having my life put at risk because there are people on our streets that create random acts of violence. . I am not assuming anything but I agree with the earlier comment posted that we need to clean up the streets regardless of who did this but there is a gas station down the street literally a one minute walk that always has people begging me there for money and then I watch them go buy COLT 45’s as soon as they get any money. This is a sad event and we should worry about solving the case first but I hope the people of Madison and the Madison police realize their priorities now so we can stop this from happing in the future. My heart goes out to friends and family of Brittany.

Posted by: D Location: Madison on Apr 3, 2008 at 11:06 AM
What is Madison coming to when a person cant feel safe in their home or in a grocery store parking lot loading groceries? This city is gettin terrible. I feel the pd is out of their league here

Posted by: Helen Location: Madison on Apr 3, 2008 at 10:56 AM
I pray that the Madison Police Department can do a better job on this investigation than on the Mr. Marino homocide. My thoughts and prayers go out to her family.

Posted by: Karijo Location: Stevens on Apr 3, 2008 at 10:56 AM
Brittany as well is my first cousin, and it is very hard for the family to process everything that has happened, anybody with any information please go to the police. If you would have known Brit, you would know for a fact that she did not deserve this. She had alot going for her, and for someone to go and tear her family apart by taking lif away from us, is nothing more than a cowardly monster, and hopefully will pay for what they did to Brit. Brit we Love you so much and you will be deeply missed every so dearly. You will always be with us in our prayers and memories forever and ever.

Posted by: Tina on Apr 3, 2008 at 10:34 AM
This is horrible. What is happening here? Britany looks eerily similar to Kelly Nolan.. Ladies please don't put your guards down...Just because a person looks nice and clean cut dosen't mean that person won't hurt you and..

Posted by: Alexandra Location: Madison Campus on Apr 3, 2008 at 09:41 AM
A few weeks ago I came home to my 3-apt. house and there was a suspicious man in my hallway, just outside my door. He was burping and mumbling and shouting something. I got really nervous so I called the police. At least twenty minutes later they finally showed up. Of course, the guy had left by that time. The officer was a jerk to me and refused to say more than two words to me. Clearly he had thought I was lying. He said he'd check the perimeter again. He must have just left because he didn't say goodbye or anything. I would have at least appreciated some reassurance that he would keep an eye on the area....OR SOMETHING. What if that man was dangerous or had tried to enter my room within that twenty minutes it took the cop to get there? I'm scared if I try to call the police for something more serious, they won't get there in time.

Posted by: Pete Location: madison on Apr 3, 2008 at 09:20 AM
Thanks for not posting my last message and if you are still working on what post to put up. Please delete my last one. I am just mad about stuff here on campus.

Posted by: Kim Location: Madison on Apr 3, 2008 at 08:25 AM
This girls family is in my prayers.

Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 3, 2008 at 07:40 AM
This is going to hurt the university! Ok Mayor, what do you have to say now. You spend money on trains and ignore the people who pay your salary!

Posted by: Lease Location: Madison on Apr 3, 2008 at 07:22 AM
Its a tragic time for this family, I hope that any and alll leads will help them get closer to justice, its scarey in the ways we loose some of our greateat youth. Please rather then argue if NBC posted her picture pray for a conviction.

Posted by: Anonymous on Apr 3, 2008 at 01:01 AM
My friend lives a few houses down. When I went there today at 11pm they still had the whole block closed off and the police officer was standing out there guarding the line. I am so glad to see them out there working so hard to collect clues and evidence. I feel so awful for the family. Loss is so hard to deal with. If the family reads this, please know that we all grieve for your loss. I won't say that time will make it easier because I know that is the hardest thing to conceptualize right now. Be safe!

Posted by: Thersa Location: madison on Apr 3, 2008 at 12:58 AM
This is very sad. I have a 21 year old daughter and it really scares me to think she is not safe here in Madison. My thoughts and prayers to Brittany's family.

Posted by: Redbear Location: Madison on Apr 3, 2008 at 12:06 AM
And so the speculation begins: Police say they have no suspects so far in this less-than-12-hr-old-case and Pete10:48 already has the entire homeless population of Madison Tried & Convicted for it. "Let's lynch 'em all!!!!" [insert whatever group you wish to stereotype]---yet you wonder why senseless violence exists...you need only look in the mirror.

Posted by: Redbear Location: Madison on Apr 2, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Thank you for your inevitably unsurprising input T-I-M

Posted by: Pete Location: Madison on Apr 2, 2008 at 10:48 PM
This is horrible!! I feel so bad for her family. All incoming UW should know that this town is a magnet for homeless drug addicts & Drunks coming from out of town. Mostly Chicago. I live on State St. and have to deal with these idots every day. All winter they break in to my apartment building drink and smoke crack on the stairs. The police arrested one of them pass out in my building last week. They hang out on State St like a pack of dogs and are only up to no good preying on students. Ask any UW student who walks on State and they will tell you the same story. We have 3 murders in this town since I got here for school. This town is dangerous and till the police get rid of these out of town losers this may be happening again. Please do not sent you girls to UW till they kick these bums out!!

Posted by: Janie Location: Madison on Apr 2, 2008 at 10:38 PM
My heart goes out to the Zimmerman family, you are all in my thoughts and prayers tonight.

Posted by: Erica Location: Madison on Apr 2, 2008 at 10:36 PM
The police should take measures to keep us safe ALL the time, not just after a tragedy of this magnetude occurs. Recently I was pulled over at bar time by the Madison police, I was below the legal limit but, because I was above a .04 the police would not let me drive home. They parked my car illegally and left me in a dark vacant parking lot by myself after 2am to find a ride home. I think it is ironic that they are putting such an emphasis on personal safety meanwhile they are negligent and put single females in dangerous situations. Our city is not as safe as we would like and the police should always practice what they are now preaching.

Posted by: Marie Location: Cambridge on Apr 2, 2008 at 09:29 PM
So what IS going on ? Are the police still there,is the area taped off ?My daughter lives 1 block away

Posted by: Ross Location: Madison on Apr 2, 2008 at 08:20 PM
What is going on, they say this could be a random act I live on west doty 10 houses away and they are not providing any information and they have no won in custody! If there is somone out murdering college students give people around the area some sort of notice.

Posted by: A Marie Location: suburban area on Apr 2, 2008 at 08:17 PM
Just put your hands together and pray ,, for her ,, for her family and all the rest of the population in the area. STAY SAFE !!

Posted by: Brandon Location: Marshfield on Apr 2, 2008 at 08:14 PM
All my thoughts and prayers go to Brittany and the zimmerman family. She was a great friend and a better person. I hope the monster who did this is found and there is swift justice dealt to them.

Posted by: TIM on Apr 2, 2008 at 08:10 PM
To Redneck at 6p.m. Speak for yourself. If some people feel so strongly about their opinion about law enforcement, something must have happened to them in order to FEEL THAT WAY. And if you are a law enforcement person, then some people may feel YOU SHOULD BE WORKING RATHER THAN COMMENTING!

Posted by: Charity Location: CedarGrove on Apr 2, 2008 at 08:00 PM
Brittany was my cousin through marriage, and her family is hysterical right now, if any one has information, PLEASE contact police, this is a tragedy that I am in shock has happened to someone in my own family...My step-mother is with her parents now, and they will need all the public support they can get.

Posted by: UWStudent Location: Lake Delton, WI on Apr 2, 2008 at 08:00 PM
Dear NBC15, Please exercise care in your use of Facebook materials and information. Facebook is a social networking tool, not a way for the station to try and provide concrete information pertaining to this tragic incident. It is annoying and rather obnoxious to continually see this used as a tool to hunt down victims, personal statements, friends, etc. I hope NBC NEVER tries to befriend me on Facebook! Often, people use photos of friends as profile pictures as a joke-- be careful, make sure you have the right one! We live in Wisconsin, I cannot imagine that events such as this boost ratings to such an extent that showing a picture stolen from a PERSONAL profile is going to aid you much. Good, honest reporting and tact would serve the purpose much better. Regards and thoughts to Brittany's family and friends.

Posted by: jk Location: sauk prairie on Apr 2, 2008 at 07:41 PM
what is this world coming to? I cry for her.....

Posted by: another neighbor Location: Bassett Street on Apr 2, 2008 at 06:30 PM
My heart goes out to Brittany's family. Let us all hope that the monster who did this is caught quickly!

Posted by: Kit Location: Madison on Apr 2, 2008 at 06:21 PM
So sorry for her family and friends.

Posted by: madison Location: wisco on Apr 2, 2008 at 06:15 PM
my heart, thoughts and prayers go out to this woman's family and friends. sad.

Posted by: Redbear Location: Madison on Apr 2, 2008 at 06:00 PM
Dear NBC15, please turn off the comments for this arcticle until some FACTS start coming in. We've had enough of the Comment Trolls' speculations, racist comments, & slams againt law enforcement in previous posts. At least give us some time to know the truth before we start jumping to even more ASSUMPTIONS. Thank You

Posted by: Neighbor Location: Madison on Apr 2, 2008 at 04:50 PM
This is tragic!