UPDATE: Dane County Smoking Ban Proposed
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UPDATE Posted Friday, June 20, 2008 -- 5:15 pm
By Zac Schultz

Town of Springfield: Opponents say Madison's smoking ban chased a lot of bar business from the city to the towns, and now the towns fear the latest ban will chase their business to the villages.

We're hearing some of the same arguments we heard when Madison was considering its smoking ban. People should have their own liberty to choose if they want to be a smokefree environment," says Travis Hasse, owner of the Missouri Tavern along Hwy 12 in the Town of Springfield. He learned about the proposed smoking ban from one of his customers. "(I was) kinda caught off guard on it."

The ban is for Dane County's 34 rural townships. The county lacks the legal power to enforce a ban in the cities and villages.

So, as with Madison's ban, there will be winners and losers. "It would put a drastic hurt on our business for sure," says Hasse. "People come in and have a cigarette while they relax after work."

Travis says about a third of his customers smoke, and they could easily take their business a few miles down the road to Waunakee, Middleton or Dane. "I believe everybody should go on a true playing field. If they're going to do it, let them do it statewide. Don't let them decide township by county by county because it does put people at a disadvantage."

But supporters say this will level the playing field- for Madison. "This would clearly benefit those communities that have already passed ordinances to help level the playing field," says Sup. Scott McDonell, the County Board Chairman.

"They're saying, 'we drove some business out of Madison, now if we can drive it out of the rest of the county then we'll all be on a level playing field,'" says Don Hoffman, the Town of Springfield Chairman.

Hoffman says this is another example of urban liberals dictating social policy to the rest of the county. "We expect that sort of thing from the city of Madison dominated county board to come out and tell the rest of the county what's good for them, what's not good for them, how they should live, we should all be like them."

The smoking ban proposal was introduced at the County Board meeting Thursday. Supporters say the earliest it would pass is this August. If approved it will go into effect 90 days later.

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Posted Thursday, June 19, 2008 -- 4:46 pm
By Zac Schultz

Town of Westport: A smoking ban has been proposed for Dane County, but it will only cover the unincorporated townships. That's because the County Board doesn't have the legal power to enforce a ban in the villages and cities.

The Nau-Ti-Gal restaurant is located in theTown of Westport. On June 1st they became the first business outside Madison to go smokefree. "It was a business decision," says Co-owner Robert von Rutenberg. He says the decision paid off. "I'm pleased to say since June 1st our business has been up dramatically. We've had overwhelmingly positive comments, and there's some people who haven't been back since June 1st."

But the Nau-Ti-Gal may be alone for only a short time. County Board Supervisor Mark Opitz introduced a proposal today that would make Westport and all the other towns smokefree. "What it will do is extend the City of Madison's regulations to the unincorporated areas, the 34 towns around Dane County," says Opitz.

The towns would add to a growing list. Madison was the first to go smokefree, it was followed by Shorewood Hills, and more recently Monona and Fitchburg. This ordinance would add in the rural towns, leaving only the remaining 23 villages and cities without a ban.

That would mean 75% of the county's population would be living in smoke free areas. "Eventually the state is going to be smokefree," says County Board Chairman Scott McDonell. "Hopefully this will give our businesses an advantage in getting a head start on what's coming."

Opitz would like to include all of Dane County, but the board simply doesn't have the legal power. "We could not apply this to the cities and villages in Dane County. We lack the authority at the state level."

"This would clearly benefit those communities that have already passed ordinances to help level the playing field," says McDonell.

Wiggie's Bar is one that would presumably benefit. Dave Wiganowsky saw business drop off after Madison's bar went into effect, but as a Board Supervisor, he's not sure if he wants to do that to his friends. "I've got mixed feelings on it. It will definitely put more businesses on an equal playing field, for me. But then I'm going to have to vote against some of my friends that don't want it."

The proposal is being introduced at the county board meeting Thursday. Supporters say it could be passed by the end of the summer. The ban would go into effect 90 days later.

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Posted by: Jon Location: Madison on Jun 26, 2008 at 07:26 AM
Although this is not relating to the smoking ban, I have to mention this. Did anyone else hear that during the City Council Meeting last night, one of our FINE liberals brought up the idea that he would like to ban drive-ups at restaurants to decrease the amount of greenhouse gases. I tell ya folks, these idiots once again are proving to the nation that Madison is a city filled with kooks running the show! Why not just close every flippin' business and tell the citizens to all get a bike and pedal around town. Wonder why businesses look the other direction when looking to open a new facility. I have a friend that lives in Minnesota and has a very sucessful business, and was looking to expand. I mentioned to him about coming to Wisconsin (God knows we could use the employment), he laughed and said he is a business man looking for success, not to be overtaxed and told what and how to run his business. Sickening!

Posted by: brenda on Jun 23, 2008 at 11:45 AM
keep the smoking ban out of my town! Spend time, government officials, on real business at hand, like keeping the prisioners in prison and huber! Seems a daily occurrance! And maybe work on supporting the poor, work on gas prices, and reduce taxes.... maybe find the murders of the unsolved cases around here recently. I think you all have plenty of issues more important to address here!!!

Posted by: jamie Location: madison on Jun 22, 2008 at 10:39 AM
Meg I agree with you a 100%. I am also sick and tired of liberal imposing their ideals on everybody else. I think everyone should have a choice as to were they want to go without changing bussinesses on what they can and cannot do. Another thing is I thought the liberals were large supporters of local bussinesses and were for the "little guy". When in fact they are doing the oppisite by imposing this smoking ban they are effecting the local bussinesses around the greater Madison area. I dont think the liberals really understand how much of an economic impact this has on our local bussinesses. But go figure the liberals are always out for their own agenda. Freaken LIBERALS!

Posted by: Meg Location: Cross Plains on Jun 21, 2008 at 01:32 PM
The real "Cancer" is all the rules and regulations the liberals of Madison are trying to shove down our throats. Now they want to extend their demands into the towns of Dane County. I had always believed that liberals were free thinkers, tolerant and all about letting everyone do their own thing. Come to find out they are the most controlling and intolerant group of people there is. Why do they think that know what is the best for everyone else? Why do they get to take away my choices. Sure they want to be able to go to non smoking establishments, but what about the ones who WANT to go to smoking businesses? What about them? What about their rights. Oh yeah, the liberals get to make their decisions for them. I'm afraid of where this is going. They'll be totally controlling all aspects of our lives before their done!

Posted by: man Location: mad on Jun 21, 2008 at 11:35 AM
So where have all you non-smokers been? Lets ask the owner of Wiggies how his business has been since the ban has taken affect? Funny how ALL you say this and that and push your agendas on EVERYONE, yet how often are you FORCED to or even go to a tavern? Sooner or later the politicians will pass a law that you will not be happy with as it may infringe on your rights. Then who you gonna talk to about that violation of rights? Not a smoker as they will turn their heads and walk the other way, with a huge smile on their faces. Its a matter of government taking away rights of law abiding citizens. I have to agree with some posts here. Is there not anything in this county that is more important right now? Fighting crime? No, not as important. Fighting drunk driving? Nope, not as important. Well maybe these are just as important, but it does not require any thinking on their part to just pick on the smokers and business owners!!

Posted by: Gary Location: Jefferson on Jun 21, 2008 at 07:42 AM
Ok, so you say it would not be fair to YOU? Now, give me some example of how you feel it is fair to the business owner? You could always go to the Nauti-gal as they have decided to go smoke-free on their own. My point is, you say it is not fair to you? Why should your "fairness" outweigh that of the person owning the business and paying the taxes for that business? Why not embrace this? It is the governemnt FORCING their agenda on the LAW abiding citizens of this state. When will it end. And nobody is telling you, you have to go there to drink right? So your rights are more important than mine? Put it up for referendum, which is what should have been done in the first place. Yf any of you elected officials actually read any of this, let me remind you that you were elected by the people and should be serving for the people right?

Posted by: Sandy Location: Madison on Jun 21, 2008 at 06:11 AM
I think we should go farther. BAN ALCOHOL ! Drunk drivers kill more people, ruin more lives, and destroy more property than smokers. I don't want to smell your booze breath! (This comment was written sarcastically, yet it does ring of truth!)

Posted by: Anon Location: Madison on Jun 20, 2008 at 09:38 PM
If you think just because you don't smoke that you won't get cancer, ha! News flash! With all the genetically altered food and high fructose corn sweeteners over the years, why do you think there has been a very steadily increasing amount of cancer being reported? Now that stinks! I hear tomatoes lately have been bad for your health, anyone else hear that? Not just isolated incidents anymore with food. Maybe as a society we would be better off focusing on more important things like maintaining a safer water and food supply than being so liberally vocal about tobacco that this country was founded on.

Posted by: Anon Location: Madison on Jun 20, 2008 at 03:06 PM
Sorry Gary but I disagree. This time the politicians do know what's best for us. It is not good for anyone to inhale cigarette smoke. And they are not dictating who they can serve to. If smokers choose not to patronize a bar/restaurant that's their choice. The politicians did not tell them they couldn't eat or drink there. They are simply required to leave the building before lighting up. No, it would not be fair to those of us who value our health and don't want to ruin our lungs to let the business owners decide. Yes, I do agree it should be enforced state-wide in order for it to be fair to all business owners but I think that will happen eventually. If people quit whining about this and really thought about it, I bet it would pass more quickly. The ban is already in place in several places in Wisconsin (and it's not going to be lifted) so why not embrace a state-wide ban to level the playing field?

Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 20, 2008 at 03:04 PM
If all the smokers in the state quit. then who is going to meet the taxes left behind. Do you know how much tax money comes from the local smokers in wiscosnin. I am a non smoker, but i still believe that it should be up to the bar owner.

Posted by: Gary Location: Jefferson on Jun 20, 2008 at 02:40 PM
I agree, smoking is not good for ones health, but neither is the government telling tax paying business owners who they can serve to. Now, I do not want to smell smoke while I am eating, but in bars? Come on. As people have said on here, let the business owners decide for themselves if they want to be "smoke-free". Either that or put it to a state referendum and then enforce it state wide. Just another example of the "I know whats best for you" mentality that our politicians have. Would it not be more fair to let the business owners decide? Some of you non-smokers please answer me that. And spare me the "I dont want to have to smell your smoke" stuff as it is not answering my question. Thank you!

Posted by: Anon Location: Madison on Jun 20, 2008 at 01:18 PM
As non-smoker I am very glad to see this ban. If you believe you have rights as a smoker, then I have rights as a non-smoker. Those rights are to be able to be in public, in a restaurant, bar, wherever and not have to smell and inhale your disgusting smoke. It is your right to smoke and it is my right not to smoke. Why should I be forced to inhale second-hand smoke? Why should I be forced to leave because of your decision to smoke? If you choose to engage in dangerous behavior (and smoking IS dangerous-ask the numerous people who are suffering from lung cancer, etc from smoking) then I shouldn't have to suffer either.

Posted by: Shari Location: Borland on Jun 20, 2008 at 12:14 PM
I think it should be up to the bar owners not a bunch of tree hugging politicans. Let the people vote " the people who go to the bars" not the ones who go once a year for a birthday party.

Posted by: Brenda on Jun 20, 2008 at 10:54 AM
J Buterbaugh AMEN!!!!!!!!! smoker or not (I am) hubby is not, it's up to the owner of the facility, after all they are paying the taxes on the place and should run as they see fit, and to make a profit to pay the taxes due!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 20, 2008 at 10:29 AM
Smoking stinks. I am glad to see this ban!

Posted by: Anonymous on Jun 20, 2008 at 09:26 AM
JUST THE GOVERNMENT FORCING THIER WAY INTO OUR LIVES EVEN MORE. IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN THIS IS STILL A FREE COUNTRY AND PEOPLE CAN COME AND GO AS THEY PLEASE. NO ONE AND I MEAN NO ONE IS EVER FORCED TO GO TO AN BAR OR EATERY, AND FOR DANE COUNTY AND OTHERS IN FAVOR OF SMOKING BAN TO SAY THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE FOR NON SMOKERS IS NOTHING BUT A SMOKE SCREEN. PLEASE DANE COUNTY STAY OUT OF MY BUSINESS, WITH 3 UNSOLVED MURDERS, CONTINUING SEXUAL ASSUALTS DOWN TOWN, FLODDING, AND SO FORTH, PLEASE USE OUR TAX DOLLARS MORE WISELY.

Posted by: J Buterbaugh Location: Deerfield on Jun 20, 2008 at 07:56 AM
I am very tired of these smoking bans. It should be a business by business decision not something the government has any say in. If I want to smoke then I will go to a business that allows it. If I would rather not then I will go to one that does not. Simple - stay out of our business. If I want to smoke that is my right and although I do understand the health concerns posed by non-smokers they have the right to leave. Don't punish the rest of us.

Posted by: k Location: wis dells on Jun 20, 2008 at 07:04 AM
Why can't we leave current bars alone and make it so when they sell( or change management) they are then non smoking. Eventually all would be smoke free without hurting current owners. New owners would know what they are getting into. By the way I'm a smoker.

Posted by: not ignorant on Jun 20, 2008 at 05:17 AM
KUDOS TO MIKE!!! I am in total agreement, why don't these whiners start advocating about something more devasting, destructive DRUNK DRIVERS. On a daily basis we hear or read about another drunk driver killing themselves or other innocent victims. I have yet to hear or read that a patron died or was killed because of the smoke at the bar or restaurant they went too. Furthermore, look at the statistics from past smoking bans. Many business's lost customers, causing many to go out of business and why? So the ANTI SMOKERS could go drink or eat there, yet, not one of them even patronized them after the ban. I agree smokers rights are being violated, it would be great if an attorney with balls would come forward and be willing to start a class action lawsuit for those who choose to smoke. In addition, our economy is in a crisis, so why add to it with a ban that will only do more harm to people then good. For the record, I'm not a smoker, but, have friends and family that do, it's a choice.

Posted by: Burt Location: Madison on Jun 19, 2008 at 10:27 PM
I'm all for the smoking bans, but only when it's on a level playing field. Statewide, or not at all. This isn't fair for the small business owners in these townships, not fair at all.

Posted by: Robert Location: Madison on Jun 19, 2008 at 08:26 PM
I was a smoker for more than 20 years. I think imposing your restrictions on society is absurd. Let the business owners decide. Thank you for the information on the nautigal now I know I will no longer go there.

Posted by: Marcy Location: Madison on Jun 19, 2008 at 06:29 PM
They want to "level the playing field." That sounds like proof that the law enforced non-smoking bars in madison have been suffering tremendously to the bars just outside of it. And why is the moderator of this web allowing someone to post off-topic about drunk driving, isn't this article about smoking in the bars? Also the personal attacks that are allowed to be posted on this site that I've seen from other articles is just plain reckless judgement. Obviously shows the views of NBC15 Madison and where their priorities are!

Posted by: It stinks! on Jun 19, 2008 at 06:08 PM
Why don't people just stop smoking? Save your money and health. No one can tell me you enjoy smoking because the fact is it just plain stinks! Just like the bad breath you get, along with your yellow teeth. How gross!

Posted by: D Location: Madison on Jun 19, 2008 at 05:14 PM
This is pathetic because a few whinners are starting something that effects the rest of us, as a non smoker myself i feel it is taking away smokers rights, after all no one is forcing NON smokers to frequent the same businesses of smokers, IF YOU DONT LIKE THE ATMOSPHERE DONT GO IN!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Mike Location: Madison on Jun 19, 2008 at 05:08 PM
This is just ridiculous!! Why doesn't the government do something about the deaths caused by drunk driving? Those deaths are immediate, verifiable, confirmable, and eliminates pretty much all other variables. Can opponets of smoking accurately, and honestly say there aren't other factors that can contribute to a person's death years and years down the road from second hand smoke exposure? Lead paint? Asbestos exposure? Car exhaust? Benzene from gasoline? sun cancer? a genetic pre-disposition to cancer in the family? But a death due to drunk driving is not a genetic fluke, and the only second hand result is that someone was driving a car when the innocent were killed! I have a better idea- instead of outlawing smoking in bars, let's outlaw bars!! People can still drink at home, then they wouldn't have to drive to get there after drinking! And, they could smoke there too, or have their smoke free environment!

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