UPDATE: Marching Band Suspension

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UPDATED Monday, November 24, 2008 --- 8:00 p.m.

MADISON, Wis. (AP) --- Parents of Wisconsin marching band members expressed outrage over the school's handling of a hazing investigation in dozens of e-mails to administrators.

In e-mail messages made public Monday, relatives of band members threatened to withhold donations, sought refunds for football tickets and even vowed to seek the firing of an assistant dean who led the probe.

The parents said they were angry the university suspended the entire 300-member marching band for one football game while investigating allegations against a small minority of its members.

Several said they doubted UW athletics teams would be suspended from games if some of their members committed misconduct.

The e-mails were released to The Associated Press under the open records law.

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UPDATED Wednesday, October 15, 2008 --- 3:15 p.m.

Statement from the University of Wisconsin-Madison:

MADISON - The University of Wisconsin-Madison Marching Band will be allowed to make a Sunday, Oct. 19, trip to perform at Lambeau Field, director and professor Mike Leckrone has announced.

The Green Bay visit represents the last planned road trip of the regular season and an important opportunity for the group's outgoing senior student leadership to set a new tone and example for returning students, says Leckrone.

"We're going down a new path, and I believe this trip is a chance to start to live the changes that we've agreed on," he says. "But I'm not naïve. I've made it clear to the band that I'm prepared to take immediate additional action if, somehow, my message hasn't gotten through."

On Oct. 19, the band is scheduled to perform during the halftime show of the 3:15 p.m. game between the Green Bay Packers and the Indianapolis Colts. The group will travel up and back on buses on Oct. 19, and the trip will not have an overnight component.

Leckrone, in consultation with the Offices of the Dean of Students (ODOS) and College of Letters and Science Dean Gary Sandefur, says that new policies on band travel will be in place for the first time.

They include random seating assignments on band buses to break up instrument sections and class levels; a quiet bus option for those wanting to focus on studies; and a prohibition on all initiation activities.

Should the band code of conduct be violated, those responsible will be reviewed for suspension or dismissal, in addition to possible sanctions from the Offices of the Dean of Students.

The band did not perform at the Ohio State game on Oct. 4, the first time in nearly 40 years that the band did not perform at a home football game. Dean of Students Lori Berquam and ODOS conducted a review of the conduct of members, confirming allegations of inappropriate behavior.

The ODOS review of band conduct remains open, but immediate concerns related to the health, safety and academic impact on its members have been addressed, according to Berquam.

The band's leaders, in cooperation with Leckrone, band staff, Berquam and Sandefur, are beginning a long-term process designed to promote a culture of excellence on and off the field.

UW-Madison junior Jon Alfuth and senior Alex Waskawic, both drum majors, say that being a part of the band is a privilege and that members will try to meet the expectation of the public and their fans.

"Positive changes have been instituted over the past two years, and progress has been made," Alfuth says. "However, we recognize the need for ongoing improvements. A focus on our overall culture is one way to channel our energy."

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UPDATED Wednesday, October 15, 2008 --- 2:45 p.m.

NBC15 News has learned the UW-Marching Band will perform at Lambeau Field on Sunday, despite the travel ban issued last week.

As NBC15 News reported last week, University officials say they've confirmed several allegations of alcohol and sexual hazing. The band was suspended on October 3rd as administrators investigated the allegations. The band did not perform at the Badger's game on Saturday, October 4th. The suspension was lifted for last weekend's game against Penn State. But at that time, the University announced the band would not be allowed to travel. But today, a University employee confirmed the band will perform Sunday at Lambeau Field.

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UPDATED: Thursday, October 9, 2008 -- 8:45 p.m.
REPORTER: Chris Woodard

The UW Marching Band will be on the field again Saturday night against Penn State even though school officials confirmed sexual hazing did occur.

Music and marching are what the UW Band is best known for, but for the last week it's all taken a back seat.

Director Mike Leckrone says, "It's obvious that the band's culture needs to change. It needs to change now and it needs to change permanently."

University officials say they've confirmed several allegations of alcohol and sexual hazing. It's a problem that's haunted the band for much of the last decade. Band members say they were aware that some of the behavior was going on.

Band member and drum major Alex Waskawic says, "Some of the things that we knew about weren't necessarily on the list of allegations however Jon and I took appropriate measures to put them to an end."

Confirmed problems include members being blindfolded and forced to take underwear off a fellow male band member. Other members were also forced to stay in small bus bathrooms for several hours. Some victims have quit the band.

Leckrone says, "It's very disappointing that they felt so uncomfortable that they didn't feel that they could continue."

After announcing the band would play Saturday but would not be allowed to travel for the time being, 2 band leaders appeared at a press conference. Following practice others remained tight lipped.

Just like they did after similar allegations in 2006, director Mike Leckrone preached a new code of conduct and increased attention to the problem but said so far no one has been kicked off the band.

School officials say any band members responsible for the hazing will be subject to the university code of conduct.

That means anything from an official reprimand to expulsion from the university.

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UPDATED Thursday, October 9, 2008 --- 3:15 p.m.

Statement from UW-Madison:

MADISON - The University of Wisconsin-Madison Marching Band will begin a long-term process designed to change a culture that had allowed demeaning and inappropriate activities, as a result of a recent review of band conduct led by the Offices of the Dean of Students (ODOS).

The band's Oct. 3 suspension is lifted, and the group will be allowed to perform at the Oct. 11 game versus Penn State. However, the group will not travel for the time being, and additional complaints will result in reconsideration of the group's suspension.

The ODOS review will remain open, but immediate concerns related to the health, safety and academic impact on its members have been addressed, according to Dean of Students Lori Berquam.

"Our review confirmed that much of the behavior described in the complaints actually took place," Berquam says. "These activities represent intimidating behavior and extremely poor judgment on the part of people who represent the university as ambassadors."

Mike Leckrone, band director and music professor, says, "Along with my staff and student band leaders, we will take a major role in changing the culture of this band as we move forward. There are actions we will take immediately, as well as long-term strategies that need to be identified and implemented. I continue to be concerned about underlying cultural problems. If they persist, we will suspend again."

Initial complaints to ODOS and Leckrone focused on humiliating behavior, inappropriate peer pressure, underage drinking and unacceptable sexualized behavior, Berquam says. A report that students were fondled against their will was not substantiated.

More than 60 band members voluntarily came forward and provided information that confirmed the details of the complaints, with some occurring on a Sept. 27 trip to Ann Arbor, Mich. In addition, a letter was sent from Berquam to band parents to give information about the situation, check on the well-being of their students and encourage reporting of inappropriate activity.

Individuals who may have instigated these activities will be adjudicated under UW System non-academic misconduct codes 17 and 18. Students have the opportunity to file criminal complaints, if they so choose. Berquam notes that her office will consider any additional information from band members or parents.

More important than being an entertainment component of UW-Madison sporting events, the band is designed to be an academic and leadership activity through the College of Letters and Science, according to Dean Gary Sandefur.

"At its heart, the purpose of the band is to enhance the educational experience of our students, not to impede it," he says.

To address the band's cultural issues, Leckrone, his staff and student leadership, in cooperation with ODOS, will take action on new initiatives to prevent recurrences of problematic behavior.

They include:

- Appointment of a staff member to work with band members and promote a positive culture change. This person will report directly to the dean of students.

- Review of the band as an educational activity in the College of Letters and Science. This will include a self-study by the band, a report from an external committee made up of other faculty in the college and a review by the L&S academic planning council.

- Establishing an ongoing review and monitoring process of band staff to enhance their accountability for the behavior of members under their oversight.

- Additional changes to travel and performance policies, including prohibitions on unauthorized performances.

The UW-Madison Marching Band did not perform at the Ohio State game on Oct. 4, the first time in nearly 40 years that the band did not perform at a home football game.

Personal conduct of marching band members has been a matter of university concern dating back nearly a decade. In 2000, the university established a written code of conduct for the band, and Leckrone has taken action to discipline violators in past years.

In fall 2006, the band was put on probation by then-Chancellor John Wiley for sexual hazing and harassment. After Wiley's decision, there was a period of improvement.

However, Leckrone says the group needs to re-dedicate itself to off-the-field improvement.

"I hope these solutions will provide our band members with accountability and dignity," he says. "I hope that these changes will also ensure that our band will live up to our fans' expectations and those of the entire community."

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UPDATED Thursday, October 9, 2008 --- 1:45 p.m.

NBC 15's Chris Woodard has learned that the UW Marching Band's suspension has been lifted. The band WILL perform at Saturday's game. However, the band will not be traveling for the time being.

Any additional complaints mounted by victims of hazing-like behavior will be reviewed. The complaint that students were fondled against their will was NOT substantiated. However, more than 60 band members voluntarily stepped forward to substantiate the other allegations.

The review does remain open, and students can file additional criminal complaints if they so choose.

NBC 15's Chris Woodard is at the 3 p.m. media briefing. Stay tuned to NBC 15 news at 4 and nbc15.com for a full report.

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UPDATED Thursday, October 9, 2008 --- 11:30 a.m.

Letter sent to parents:

October 3, 2008

Dear Parent/Guardian,

I am writing this letter to make you aware of concerns the University has regarding the UW Marching Band and the potential impact on your son or daughter. Allegations have been made concerning behavior which clearly falls below the expectations of students at the University of Wisconsin - Madison. In addition, there is concern that students may have been placed in unsafe situations or experienced humiliation in a hazing like atmosphere.

Some allegations include but are not limited to:
-Being forced or pressured to have their hair cut in a way that is not flattering.
-Being forced or pressured to eat something disgusting.
-Being sexually fondled against their will.
-Being forced or pressured to drink alcohol or other concoctions that may contain alcohol.

I am notifying you of these allegations because of my concern for your son or daughter's safety and academic success. Although our investigation is ongoing and no specific disciplinary action has yet to take place against any individual student, it is important for you to be aware of these concerns. I would urge you to speak directly with your son or daughter and talk with them about the experience they have had in the band. I would appreciate your help in encouraging your son or daughter to be truthful and fully cooperate with our investigation. A complete investigation is necessary for the University to have a thorough understanding of these allegations and respond appropriately.

My staff is working closely with the Director of Bands to respond appropriately and as soon as possible.If you have specific information regarding these concerns, please contact Associate Dean Kevin Helmkamp who will be leading the investigation. Associate Dean Helmkamp can be reached by calling 608-263-5700 or by emailing khelmkamp@odos.wisc.edu. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

Sincerely,

Lori M. Berquam
Dean of Students

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UPDATED: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 -- 8:40 pm
REPORTER: Chris Woodard

For the first time since their Friday suspension, the University of Wisconsin Marching Band is taking the field.

They're practicing like they'll perform at Saturday's home game but hazing allegations may silence them longer than that.

After a weekend full of questions and national embarrassment, the UW Band is getting back to what they do best, marching.

Director Mike Leckrone says, "It's going to serve as therapy for us all to get back to work and hopefully put it out of our minds for an hour and 45 minutes."

It's the first time the band has played together since Leckrone told them Friday night they were suspended until further notice.

The University is investigating allegations of alcohol related sexual hazing.

The suspension left the football team to take the field for a nationally televised game without the band's support.

For the first time in 40 years, Leckrone was the only member of the band allowed into the game.

He says, "I never want to be at a Badger Game like that again. It was hard. It was a very surreal feeling. It was like I was there but I wasn't there. It was difficult."

Before Tuesday's practice Leckrone acknowledged the heavy media presence, gathering his band and telling them they had his permission to speak to reporters if they wished.

Despite that conversation, band members refused to answer any questions as they left practice just as they have since the suspension was handed down.

Leckrone says, "I mean they're concerned. They want to make sure if there's problems we correct the problems."

Their answers all involved hope come to light sooner than later.

Leckrone says he hopes to hear results of the investigation in the next day or two, at which time he'll make a final decision whether any individual band members or the band as a whole will be forced to miss Saturday's game.

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UPDATED Tuesday, October 7, 2008 --- 11:44 a.m.

MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- University of Wisconsin-Madison Chancellor Biddy Martin says she supports the indefinite suspension of the school's marching band over allegations of hazing, drinking and sexual misconduct.

UW faculty senator Don Wiebe asked Martin during a meeting Monday why the whole band was punished for the actions of a small number of band members.

Band director Mike Leckrone said earlier the misconduct involved only a small number of band members, but it was significant enough to warrant suspending the entire band.

Martin says she backs Leckrone's decision to punish the entire band because just two years ago it was put on probation after reports surfaced of sexual and hazing behavior on a road trip to the University of Michigan.

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UPDATED: Saturday, October 4, 2008 --- 5:15 pm
REPORTER: Chris Woodard

Badger tailgate parties are missing a pregame staple Saturday.

The UW-Marching Band is not be performing before or during the game because of an investigation into hazing allegations.

This suspension was handed down last night and it comes as a bombshell to fans attending the game and even many of the band members themselves.

Whether before, during, or after the game, the UW-Marching Band has been a part of every snap and celebration for the last 40 years.

Suspension because of hazing allegations will end that march Saturday.

Season ticket holder John Olson says, "We were really disappointed but we felt that something had to be done before it got really bad, something really happened bad."

There is a noticeable silence during pregame tailgate parties.

Former band member Steven White says, "I'm shocked. When I was in the band we had punishments and Mike was tough on us but I never would have imagined he would do this."

White was a band member in 2006, the last time hazing allegations surfaced. He was at Friday's practice when band members learned they would not be performing again until an investigation is completed.

White says, "I have a twin brother who's still in the band and I went to see him and he said we don't know who did it. We don't know what it was but everyone is being punished for it."

School officials aren't giving specifics but say the allegations are of alcohol related sexual behavior. They're allegations that some say fall in line with a long history of hazing problems.

White says "Yes and no, I think the band used to be a lot worse in the 90's from the stories I hear. I mean, there are a lot of things that have gone on that need improvement and I think Mike has identified some of those things and is working to improve them. I don't think it's as bad as some of the rumors but there's room for improvement. I think there has been."

Band members themselves refused to comment but several reports say the school has already started their investigation and is interviewing band members this afternoon.

As for the game that starts in about an hour, there will be no live replacement for the band. Instead, school officials say they'll use recorded music and videos to take their place.

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UPDATED Saturday, October 4, 2008 --- 12:10 p.m.

From the Wisconsin State Journal:

There will be no replacement act at tonight's Badgers football game to fill the absence of the UW Marching Band, which was placed on suspension Friday because of serious hazing allegations.

"It's our view that we really can't replace what our marching band brings to the table," said UW Athletic Department spokesman Vince Sweeney. " We're not going to try to replace to the band."

It will be the first time in at least 40 years that the band won't play a half-time show at a UW-Madison game in Camp Randall.

Sweeney said the athletic department is making plans to put together a patchwork of recorded music, videos and other college game updates to fill the time at pre-game, half-time, and the post-game show, Fifth Quarter, when the band would usually perform.

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UPDATED Saturday, October 4, 2008 --- 11:50 a.m.

Note: The following story was published nationally by the Associated Press:

MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- The University of Wisconsin marching band has been suspended indefinitely while allegations of hazing, alcohol abuse and sexual misconduct are investigated.

The band won't play Saturday during a nationally televised football game between the No. 18 Badgers and No. 14 Ohio State at Camp Randall Stadium.

The university made the announcement at a hastily called news conference Friday night, saying the behavior is consistent with conduct that put the band on probation in 2006.

Mike Leckrone, band director since 1969, said he made the decision and it was the first time in his tenure the entire band has ever been suspended and prevented from playing at a game.

Leckrone said he informed the 300 band members at 4:30 p.m. Friday.

"My feeling was I hit them between the eyes with a sledgehammer," he said.

No details were immediately released about the behavior, only that it involved inappropriate alcohol use, hazing and sexualized behavior. Leckrone said it involved only a small number of band members, but it was significant enough to warrant the suspension.

He and Dean of Students Lori Berquam refused to discuss any details while the investigation by Berquam's office is ongoing.

The band will practice again starting Tuesday with the understanding that it will not perform again until the investigation is done, Leckrone said.

Penalties for students who violate the university's code of conduct range from a reprimand to expulsion, Berquam said.

It's the latest in a series of high profile problems for the band.

In 2000 the university established a written code of conduct for the band.

In February 2007 the marching band's assistant director Michael Lorenz resigned after an internal report criticized his treatment of a female colleague during a rowdy band trip to Michigan in 2006.

Reports of band members' hazing, alcohol use and inappropriate sexual behavior prompted the university to put the band on probation after the trip.

Then-Chancellor John Wiley threatened band members with losing performance and travel privileges.

Wiley, in an October 2006 letter to Leckrone, called band members' behavior "boorish to patently dangerous and unlawful."

At that time, seminude band members were alleged to have danced suggestively and there were reports of women being forced to kiss other women to be allowed to enter bathrooms on a bus.

The university said in a statement that the latest allegations were consistent with the 2006 troublesome behavior.

The award-winning band has a storied tradition on campus and a special place in the hearts of Badgers fans.

Leckrone said he believed the latest allegations breached the band's code of conduct and warranted a swift and significant response.

"I don't think it would be appropriate for me just to ignore it," he said.

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UPDATED: Friday, October 3, 2008 --- 9:23 pm
REPORTER: Chris Woodard

For the first time in forty years, the University of Wisconsin Marching Band will not perform at a home game.

Allegations of hazing will silence the band until further notice.

Longtime band director Mike Leckrone says the allegations are serious enough that this decision needed to be made and this is all on the eve of arguably the band and the school's biggest stage all year.

They're as much a part of game day as the football itself, but on Saturday night the UW-Marching Band will fall silent.

Leckrone says, "It saddens me to be here tonight not talking about our performance tomorrow."

For the second time in three years the university is dealing with allegations of alcohol related hazing and all band members have been suspended until an investigation can be completed.

Leckrone says, "It's inappropriate sexual behavior, whether it be talking in sexual terms or whatever. It's all under investigation."

School officials won't elaborate on what specific acts are being alleged but do say it is consistent with the behavior that led to the band being placed on probation in 2006.

At that time reports ranged from female band members being forced to kiss each other, to seminude suggestive dancing and even a female being asked to play with a sex toy.

Leckrone says, "The message had to be sent that this is not something anybody is going to tolerate. I went through it last time and I wanted to send a message very strongly this time."

Band members were informed of the suspension the night before a nationally televised game against Ohio State, leaving many of them and fellow students shocked.

Freshman Leena Asuma says, "It kind of sucks. I mean, it's a night game and the atmosphere is going to be a little less crazy and exciting than it usually is."

Freshman Katie Goswitz says, "I didn't' think that hazing things still went on but I guess they do. It's kind of weird."

There is no word yet on how long this investigation will take or when the band will play again.

You might remember when similar allegations surfaced in 2006 Band Leckrone said if it ever happened again, he didn't think he should be the band director.

He's backed off from that statement saying Friday night, he's a teacher and he's going to teach these kids to do the right thing.

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UPDATED Friday, October 3, 2008 --- 8:00 p.m.

Statement from the University:

MADISON - The University of Wisconsin Marching Band has been suspended as a result of serious hazing allegations, Band Director Mike Leckrone announced today (Oct 3, 2008).

The suspension, which applies to band performances, is effective immediately. The band will not perform at Saturday's game versus Ohio State University, scheduled for 7 p.m.

The alleged conduct is consistent with behavior that resulted in the band being placed on probation in 2006. In particular, the new reports of alleged conduct include inappropriate alcohol-use, hazing and sexualized behavior.

The complaints have sparked an official investigation by the Offices of the Dean of Students, to be led by Associate Dean of Students Kevin Helmkamp. The investigation will explore possible violations of university code of conduct and the band code of conduct. If criminal violations are found, they will be forwarded to the appropriate authorities.

"I'm truly disappointed to have received these serious allegations and I will assist this investigation in any way that I can," Leckrone says. "It is my expectation that the members of the band will cooperate and come forward with any and all relevant information."

Personal conduct of marching band members has been a matter of concern for some years.

In 2000, the university established a written code of conduct for the band, and Leckrone has taken action to discipline violators in the past.

Over the years, university leaders and Leckrone have had numerous discussions regarding band conduct. Leckrone has enforced his code of conduct and had numerous discussions about conduct with the band.

In fall 2006, the band was put on probation by then-Chancellor John Wiley for sexual hazing and harassment, also after the Michigan trip. After Wiley's decision, there was improvement for the remainder of the 2006 football season.

"Strides have been made to improve the conduct and behavior of the band, we need to improve," he says. "This is another opportunity to come together and improve our organization."

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UPDATED Friday, October 3, 2008 --- 7:10 p.m.

MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- The University of Wisconsin marching band has been suspended while allegations of hazing, alcohol abuse and sexual misconduct are investigated.

The band will not play at Saturday's nationally televised game between the No. 18 Badgers football team and No. 14 Ohio State at Camp Randall Stadium.

The university made the announcement at a hastily called news conference Friday night, saying the behavior is consistent with conduct that put the band on probation in 2006.

Associated Dean of Students Kevin Helmkamp is leading the investigation.

No details were immediately released about the behavior, only that it involved inappropriate alcohol use, hazing and sexualized behavior.

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UPDATED Friday, October 3, 2008 --- 6:35 p.m.

The University of Wisconsin Marching Band has been suspended effective immediately. The band will not be performing at tomorrow night's game against the Ohio State University.

The alleged conduct is consistent with the behavior that led to the band's suspension in 2006. The new allegations include inappropriate alcohol use, hazing and sexualized behavior.

These allegations have sparked an official investigation by the Office of the Dean of Students. The investigation will explore possible violations against the band's Code of Conduct and the University's Code of Conduct. If criminal violations are found, the investigation will be forwarded to the appropriate authorities.

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Posted by: anon Location: off campus on Nov 25, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Why would a kid even let the hazing happen to them in the first place? I would not allow it to happen to myself. It has been tried on me in the past and I simply would not allow it. Didn't care back then what so called "buddies" thought because I wouldn't knuckle under and I don't care now. It's called independent thought. If you allow it to happen to yourself then deal with it. Parents, your babies are in college. They're young adults who legally can make adult decisions. Let them stumble along the way. It will only teach them life lessons and they will live through it. Cut the apron strings. I'm sure whoever the parents are, making the stink, their kids would prefer to be under a cold rock somewhere rather than the situation they're currently in.

Posted by: Anonymous on Nov 25, 2008 at 11:38 AM
Parents are outraged? Alittle late for all that, this happend months ago. i am sure they will all live to see another day. To bad they are not as outraged by thier childrens behavior.

Posted by: joel Location: madison on Nov 25, 2008 at 11:03 AM
alum00, did you actually graduate? Comparing this to murder or any other crime is silly at best. Besides, they are a group/team right? And for you to say that they did not "see the signs"? Try and convince any one with a little bit of sense in their head of that. Everyone knew this is something that was being done. How do I know this, my son is a band member. Believe me, I have had a very serious talk with my son about this. He told me he knew what was happening and did not turn these foolish CHILDREN in because he feared of retribution from the senior leaders of the band. So, as I told him, when one does it ALL must pay. When individuals will not step forward and take their punishment, what do you think should be done?

Posted by: alum 00 Location: KC on Nov 25, 2008 at 10:08 AM
Joel - based on your interpretation of punishment, does that mean anytime a crime is committed in a city, all of the citizens should be punished? If your neighbor murders someone, do you go to jail with them if you don't see the signs? Yes, there should have been an investigation and yes there should have been discipline. By expelling those from the university that participated, would have sent an equally loud message through the ranks and prevented future incidents.

Posted by: anonymous Location: madison on Nov 25, 2008 at 09:31 AM
Blaming the band for the rotten year that the football team has had? Are you serious? Last time I checked every game was sold out, and the stands were full for the most part. Blaming Lecrone for anything that happens on the field is just plain stupid!

Posted by: Alum '79 Location: Madison on Nov 25, 2008 at 09:03 AM
I blame the football team's unexpected poor performance this year on Lecrone and other authoritarian and puniitive UW officials. Lecrone's #1 job is to field a band to support the team and inspire the fans in on game day, period!!!! He failed and we all suffered. Fire him!!!

Posted by: joel Location: madison on Nov 25, 2008 at 08:27 AM
Parents outraged, get over it! By punishing the whole team they did send a message to ALL the band member's. I feel the punishment handed down was justified. That's how we were punished in the service, if one screwed up, everyone pay's. To the parent's: If your child was not part of the hazing, what did they do to try and prevent it from happening again? Did they turn in the name's of the individual's that were to blame? If not, they are just as much to blame as the people who did the bad deed's! Blaming the school and/or the administration for this is just a great lesson to teach the kid's ain't it? Stop crying about it and talk with your children about what happened and how to handle the situation in the future and maybe the poor band will not have to face the actions that were handed down to the group. The band has NOTHING to do with the outcome of a football game and for those of you that think they do... PLEASE! I do not remember seeing anyone with a tuba scoring a touchdown.

Posted by: Pam Location: madison on Nov 25, 2008 at 07:24 AM
I think the way it was handled was ridiculous. Its like your own kids, should the other kid suffer because of the one kids mistake??? Leckrone has gotten away with a lot because of his name, looked the other way and always seems to get the kudos but doesn't know or seem to want to know whats going on. He should have stopped it earlier or at heard about it with that many in the band. But now the parents are upset and they should be. They are probably helping most of those kids attend that university and their input should be listened to. But to get made at the one who publicised it is wrong. We all have a right to know how the band is representingus. And I hope the offenders were kicken off the band, if not, a slap on the wrist is hardly going to hurt these kids.

Posted by: sick Location: madison on Nov 24, 2008 at 09:35 PM
enough already.

Posted by: Henry Location: Greendale on Oct 19, 2008 at 09:48 PM
It is obvious that whomever is in charge at Madison has already swept under the rug the recent "hazing and illegal" allegations against the marching band. In recent weeks, we have all been hearing the word "change". True change at Madison would be to "disband" the band, its leaders (lol) and staff members. The hazing has been going on for over 30 years, and has only gotten worse. To be continued . . .

Posted by: Think about it... on Oct 17, 2008 at 04:24 PM
Gotta love the consistency of the band's punishment. They are banned from travel, unless they're not. Oooooo scary consequence. Really taught them a lesson.

Posted by: Anne Location: Madison on Oct 15, 2008 at 10:31 PM
As an alum, it makes me puke the behavior of these students, and the impotence of current UW administration to deal with them! maybe the UW should send some of the deans along, to see what is going on, or wait until the band gets to where they're going, then show up and ride home with them just as the bus is set to pull out, or better yet, meet them halfway home! Or, since sexual assault is illegal, maybe putting a UW police officer on each bus for road games would be a better idea! that way, if the university is unwilling, or unable, to do something about these offenses, at least the police can file criminal charges and issue tickets for lewd and lascivious behavior, or underage drinking...

Posted by: Susanna Location: Middleton on Oct 15, 2008 at 07:54 PM
Numerous comments were left after the WI/OH State game, how the band’s absence made a difference in the loss, the band is in better cardiovascular shape than most college athletes & how they are a necessity to the football program success. The debacle against Penn State was the worst home loss for WI since 1989. There goes the argument on what a difference the band makes. When the team loses it is the team’s fault. But when they win, the band claims a victory too, right? Regarding the cardio shape, I would personally like to see the band run, not walk/march, one length of the football field (100 yards) running the whole way. How long will it take them to croak, compared to a real athlete, who is in better cardio shape, hands down. Lastly, the band is not a necessity to the success of the football program, or WI would have won. The band is not needed, is not in better cardio shape, and only wants credit when the team wins.

Posted by: Miranda Location: UW-Madison on Oct 15, 2008 at 04:16 PM
WHAT? the "senior leadership's" last chance? the "senior leadership" is the ruling class that has not cleaned up its act for the past two years!! In case anyone is wondering, and is as upset about this as I am, Dean sandefur's office is 608-263-2303. Leckrone's number is 608-263-1896, and Berquam's is 608-263-5700. Give them a call and let them know how ridiculous they are being! Once again the band director gets his students out of trouble, blatantly disregards sanctions, like a ban on road trips, and the band just marches off laughing! Yes, the idea is to punish EVERYONE in the band, so they realize what will happen if it happens again, even the students that didn't do it, so maybe next time they'll stop it when it is happening on the bus! And why aren't they banning alcohol on a University sponsored vehicle? There is an open intoxicant ban for all vehicles in the state of wisconsin, is there not?

Posted by: Jake Location: Madison on Oct 15, 2008 at 02:45 AM
Why don't they have cameras on the busses?

Posted by: Alex Location: Madison on Oct 14, 2008 at 09:40 AM
Hey! I know why this happened, all this touchie feely no no behavior! That sex pervert missing from Portage, the 56 y.o. guy, David Krueger, joined the band! Now we should play the "Where's waldo" book game. look at the band from the stands and see if we can pick out the one with the monitoring bracelet on his leg!

Posted by: Jenna Location: Madison on Oct 14, 2008 at 12:04 AM
so what. the motor bus molester marching band played. pervs on parade. big deal. I used to respect the individuals in the band, but anyone who can watch someone get raped (and unwanted sexual touching is rape, forced sexual enactments is rape)- or perform low degree sexual rape scenarios are not worth my respect, nor my devotion. to glorify the organization that spawned a culture that supports, shields, and encourages such sexually deviant behavior, that is just foul. what does a person have to do at that college to get kicked out? football players charged with abuse, basketball players charged with multiple underage drinking, band members raping people on buses... and the code of conduct doesn't immediately call for expulsion? how sad. I'd say go take a pee in the dean's office, but madison alderwoman will forgive you for that, too!

Posted by: Mickey on Oct 13, 2008 at 03:46 PM
Well, the band played this past Saturday and the UW got creamed. I guess there IS no correlation between the band being there and the team winning. Who knew?

Posted by: Jake Location: Madison on Oct 13, 2008 at 02:01 AM
Hey, David- some of us don't want the entire band under the bus... only the guilty, the people who witnessed the guilty and haven't come forward (enablers? conspirators? accompli?), those who know someone who knows someone who saw what happened (accomplice after the fact? material witness? character witness? corroborating witness?), those who know someone who knows someone who knows someone who knows who did this... get the point? on a bus of 50 people (or more) someone has to know someone who knows who did it! yet not so many in the band are "breaking the culture" by maintaining the "code of silence" about who commited these disgusting dehumanizing power trips for themselves, and their fan base watchers/ psuedo-participants. personally, I think it absolutely disgusting that anyone on a bus would claim ignorance of such events, then expect to be respected for their astute observations and ability to track movements/ sounds out of the corner of their eyes, or from a distance.

Posted by: David Location: Madison on Oct 10, 2008 at 05:40 PM
Having read the last media report that now confirms the sexualized behavior, my last comments have been wrong in saying that hazing has not been as serious as it was initially portrayed. Those are certainly very serious hazing allegations, people should be punished, and the band must be stricter and do more to try to prevent future hazing. However, my main point is that some band members haze others while most do not, so do not stereotype the entire band for the actions of a few.

Posted by: concerned citizen Location: Madison on Oct 10, 2008 at 11:04 AM
Why doesn't the band director, since he's so disgusted by this happening (wasn't he disgusted last time too?) do something about it! Alcohol on the bus a problem, search the students, and their belongings before they step onto the bus! Attitudes and behaviors not appropriate for UW ideals? Put bus monitors on the busses! Get cameras for monitoring the busses! Design a specific "code of conduct" that applies to UW individuals that travel on UW or chartered vehicles to attend off campus events, make them sign it, so no one can claim ignorance of the rules! Finally, just like the sports players who break the law (and sexual harrassment is illegal, it is considered assault)- band members names and school standing information should be publicized, so they can't hide behind a cloack of anonymity. They want 75,000 people to see them, then they better be ready for the entire state of wisconsin to see them, and everything about them!

Posted by: Anonymous on Oct 10, 2008 at 10:45 AM
Let them play at home events, but ban the road trips.

Posted by: Kelly Location: Madison on Oct 10, 2008 at 10:35 AM
Yep, you're right David. So, Badger fans, from now on, any chance you get, be sure to pick your least favorite looking band member, & be sure to throw urine, feces,spit, beer, snot, rotten food, stuff soaked in ketchup & mustard... because, remember, according to David, the whole crowd can't be held responsible for the actions of the few, & disgusting as it may be, it isn't illegal, after, to pelt someone with a handful of human crap! Best part about it, there's nothing sexual about it either! Do you see how incredibly stupid your logic is David?The public is not entitled to their opinion? Guess you're not a poli sci major then, huh? You've got 1 other thing backwards too, David- it is because of the crowd that the band is great, not the band blessing anyone with its greatness. They did just fine last Sat with recorded music! nobody died b/c the band didn't play! UW could save $$ on gas not hauling a band around! bunch of freakin underage drinking rapists!

Posted by: Allison Location: Madison on Oct 10, 2008 at 09:32 AM
David- yeah, public uproars are a bummer, huh? especially when you belong to the organization, or support the org that commited the acts! Upset cop: many of us DO get all up in arms about murders and stuff, but perhaps our comments get cut, or perhaps you just glaze over them because they were added in and amongst comments you already read earlier? I for one think every abusive act, degradation, defamation, humiliation, killing, drunk driving, is horrible. I strongly back, support, and promote the idea that since these students are learning to become active members of adult society, they should pay adult consequences for their actions! Sticking a sausage in your shorts and making a secretary eat it in an office building will get you thrown in jail and fired, so why won't it get you expelled? My question to the UW is, where is the "real world training" happening in the college? are you training sex abusers and drunks and alcoholics at that college? I agree- point out the guilty!

Posted by: Mickey on Oct 10, 2008 at 08:35 AM
David, females being made to kneel down and take a bite of a sausage sticking out of a guy's pants is "sexualized behavior". But I'm sure if that were your daughter you'd be celebrating her involvement.

Posted by: quitcher bitchin Location: to anonymous band member 10/9-3:37 PM on Oct 10, 2008 at 01:10 AM
Hey, anonymous band member... quit whining about your 1 credit, & how you have to practice every day. If you don't like it- quit! Band isn't a required subject! Also, you're right, you get nothing more than pride, and don't you just sound proud as hell that someone in your esteemed organization commited this ignorant, immature, worthless power tripping behavior! Were you one of them? I bet you were! Because I know you were either one of them who did it, one who just sat with your thumb up your butt and watched it all happen and didn't say anything, or was one who stepped forward, along with 69 other people so far, but hasn't provided enough evidence to slam dunk a expulsion of any band members. So, either turn yourself in for doing it, turn yourself in for seeing it and doing nothing, or step forward again and start naming names of people you saw doing it, and people sitting around you who saw it and did nothing to stop it, and people sitting around them who saw them sitting around.

Posted by: Anonymous on Oct 9, 2008 at 08:53 PM
Thank you David! I could not have said it better myself!

Posted by: David Location: Madison on Oct 9, 2008 at 06:45 PM
The sad part is that everyone immediately jumps on the band the moment a story breaks about hazing. From the news I have read today, the "alcohol related sexualized behavior" consisted of "cutting people's hair in an unflattering matter" and "making people consume alcohol or eat foods against their will". Reports of sexual fondling have NOT been substantiated. While these behaviors are certainly inappropriate, they do not reflect the initial "sexualized hazing" that the media reported. Before people throw the entire band under the bus, just think that these students work and practice hard (with NO scholoarships) every week and put in a major time commitment to put on a show for you, the fans. When a few people do something inappropriately, the media and the general public seem to generalize these behaviors as characteristic of the entire band, which is not the case, and even call for the entire band to be cut. The behavior was certainly bad, but so was the public uproar.

Posted by: Anonymous on Oct 9, 2008 at 05:45 PM
Are you kidding?!? If you had any idea on what used to happen you would cry yourself to sleep, im not saying this justifies whats going on...im just saying that over the 4 years most students are in band the come to know that MOST things that go on are just fun and games. There are in fact somethings that individuals and groups do that the whole band doesn't know about...surprise suprise...one person in the band not knowing what all 300 are doing. Dont blame the entire band, they have been working really hard the last 2 years to improve and ALOT has changed...nothing changes overnight!!

Posted by: Anonymous on Oct 9, 2008 at 03:58 PM
The really sad part of this is..They don't think they did anything wrong.. These idoits and the parents live in a world of make believe. WAKE UP! This isn't what young adults are suppose to do for fun!

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Madison on Oct 9, 2008 at 03:51 PM
So they get away with what they did. They will never learn. This yet shows how serious the UW is for not following the rules.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Madison on Oct 9, 2008 at 03:37 PM
If you actually knew something about the band you would know that every person shows up everyday for nothing more than the pride we get from the program and 1 i repeat 1 credit per semester, you dont get scholarships for being in the band...do your research before you talk bad about something...

Posted by: Anonymous on Oct 9, 2008 at 12:57 PM
Last time I checked, you don't get scholarships for being in the band

Posted by: Upset Cop Location: Madison on Oct 9, 2008 at 12:22 PM
Why don't all of you get this upset when an athlete does something that is against the law? I remember reading posts when Casillas (UW Football player) was arrested for OWI. People were saying he should have been let go, or "no big deal, everyone in WI has one," or "don't cops have anything better to do than arrest drunks on mopeds" or "what do you expect, he's a college student, he's going to get drunk and drive." I find it so funny that the community hears about some, I admit, ridiculous behavior on the part of the band and you cry bloody murder! Yet a football player can get arrested for beating his girlfriend, dealing coke, or drunk driving and you feel they should be treated with kid gloves. Grow up Madison, the whole band isn't going to be axed because a few morons did some stupid stuff. Scholarships won't be yanked either, nor should they. If an athlete can be arrested without losing a scholarship, a band member shouldn't lose their money for a policy violation.

Posted by: Jake Location: UW-Madison on Oct 9, 2008 at 04:12 AM
First, can the band, all of them! those who are guilty, are done, those who witnessed what happened and haven't stepped forward (in criminal proceedings isn't that called a co-conspirator or an accessory to the crime?)... gone. Then, ask them all to re-apply, sign a contract that says if they are ever, ever, within arm's reach of a bus that this happened on, and they don't immediately scream rape and get the driver to stop, they'll be expelled and be persona non grata at the UW! Stephanie, you're a sexist pig! who said it was just "boys"? there are women in the band too, and last time there were allegations that women perpetrated some of the hazing too. but, of course, it is all the men's fault according to you! good thing all those women in that band stuck together to nail those bastard rapist men, huh? I don't see anywhere where it said the female band members have all stepped forward to point fingers and name names. co-conspirators, or enablers? still just as guilty Stephanie.

Posted by: Anonymous on Oct 8, 2008 at 04:49 PM
I agree, what a bunch of losers~ Pull them from the band for the rest of their college careers and take away scholarships. They just put a blight on the entire UW system. No matter what these "band geeks" may become as professionals, what has occurred is UNEXCUSABLE. They need to start conducting themselves like respectable adults because they project the image that the public will see and infer is that this is how" THE UNIVERSITY" is on all levels. I like Mike Leckrone, but if he can not handle the band and make sure that there are not things like this going on, then perhaps he SHOULD be a man of his word and STEP DOWN.

Posted by: Clint Location: Madison on Oct 8, 2008 at 11:01 AM
Well done Madison! Real classy, completely ridiculous I hope they do away with the entire band. Unacceptable

Posted by: Stephanie Location: UW Madison on Oct 8, 2008 at 10:26 AM
Hey...why aren't the members of the band being yanked of their scholarships?This is recurrent situations from previous years.The sex and alcohol involvement is "surreal" as was Leckrone's "surreal" feeling last Sat. Come on, it's time for a change for the better.Tell the naughty boys that they can't play their games any longer and let them pay their own tuitions.

Posted by: anon Location: madison on Oct 8, 2008 at 07:27 AM
Hazing for a marching band??? what a bunch of losers...

Posted by: Anonymous on Oct 8, 2008 at 06:47 AM
This reporter needs to watch for typos and errors in grammar: Leckrone says, "I mean they're concerned. They want to make sure if there's problems (THIS SHOULD READ: there are) we correct the problems." They're (My BIGGEST PET PEeVE! THIS SHOULD BE: Their (possessive)- not the contraction they're) answers all involved hope come to light sooner than later.

Posted by: Bob Location: Madison on Oct 8, 2008 at 12:50 AM
I love the fact that the "Band Geeks" can party! For those non intelligent fools saying that "band geeks will not amount to anything", maybe you should get out of your trailer (sorry, mobile home) and do a little research. Many "band geeks" are the Doctors you see, and the Lawyers who defend you for your crimes you committed (because you did not amount to anything). Mant also go on to become great Musicians in Rock, Pop, and even Hip Hop. I was not a "Band Geek", but a former U.S. Marine, and I have more respect for them than I do most people on this site.

Posted by: not a badger fan anyway Location: stoughton on Oct 7, 2008 at 10:23 PM
Regardless if only a few people were involved in the hazing, more than one person knew about and someone finally went to the right person to say something since noone else seemed to want to deal with it. If this kind of behavior took place in a workplace environment, the parties involved would be investigated and the parties that initiated the hazing/harrassment would be fired. I think once the UW figures out exactly who did this to the freshman or whoever else they did it to should be kicked off the band and kicked out of the UW school system. They should never be allowed back on any UW campus. All of the students at UW should treat their education as a job. Whether they are in the band, on the football or hockey teams, this is their job. They got to play for these teams because they were the best of the best and they should be thankful for their opportunity and not ruin it by treating others like they are not worthy of their education when they worked just hard to get to the UW.

Posted by: Kathleen Location: Madison on Oct 7, 2008 at 09:49 PM
Lori- When I went back to read my first post, I understood why you were irritated. There was definitely a different way to say what I was trying to get across. I really am a very easy going person and get a long with everyone. Sometimes you don't realize how it looks until it is posted and I did not mean to sound that nasty. I also have those concerns regarding out of control partying and vulgarity during games. Maybe it would help if they did make a statement and start throwing some people out. But I also don't have answers to some of these problems. It just sometimes seems like UW sweeps alot under the rug and the problem keeps persisting year after year. And regarding the season tioket comment I made. It's kind of frustrating that the whole place is season tickets because some people can only afford one game per year and it would be nice to have some tickets for them too. But I do know that season ticket holders do work hard for those tickets. Hope that clears a few things up!

Posted by: Big Ten Fan on Oct 7, 2008 at 06:42 PM
Lori, I too apologize and am thankful for some of you that are good fans. I didn't walk down the street looking angry, I was excited for the whole experience and yes I had a bad one. If I had run across you and your hospitality first before being harassed so badly, I would probably have a different attitude about it. I'm glad to know there are some good people out there! :)

Posted by: x Location: madison on Oct 7, 2008 at 06:40 PM
as a member of the band i can go ahead and tell you, Greg P, that the topless thing is completely untrue. also, the claims that hazing is carried out top to bottom is just as false. never during my time as a freshman did i do anything that i did not consent to. at some points i was told to act in a certain way, but it was made abundantly clear that i was in no way required to do anything i didnt want to. as for forced alcohol consumption, a large number of band members do not drink at all and they are respected for their decisions. we never force alcohol on those who do not wish to partake. those of you who are intent on judging us for vague accusations that even we are unclear on, please wait until the investigation is complete and the facts have been confirmed

Posted by: Lori Location: Madison on Oct 7, 2008 at 04:06 PM
Kathleen- thanks for that. I understand your concerns. I have them also. I just don't like to hear everyone lumped into the same circle. I believe something needs to be done about the excessive partying on campus, but I don't have any answers. In my day, I loved to party also, but not like this. I don't agree with the vulgarity and viciousness some of our students think is normal. I noticed extra police at last week-ends game, however, I didn't seem them hauling anyone out of there. Maybe if there were more of that, it wouldn't be so much of a problem. I wish I knew.

Posted by: Greg P on Oct 7, 2008 at 03:32 PM
I keep reading on these and other forums that the whole band is being punished for the actions of a few...but I don't find any source that says only "a few" were involved. How do we know it's a few? How do we know it's not all senior/junior/sophomore band members hazing the freshmen? Or any combination thereof? How has it been decided that only a few were involved in, say, requiring female band members to serve them beer topless (which is one of the incidents I've heard about)?

Posted by: Kathleen Location: Madison on Oct 7, 2008 at 03:14 PM
Lori- I appreciate your comment and your right, I should have not grouped every single Badger fan into one group. That was wrong of me and I do apologize for that. I realize there are good fans out there who support the team well, like you sound, and I should not have grouped everyone together. However, you can't ignore that alcohol dominates UW events, which in turn, can make it a very uncomfortable experience for people who constantly get hassled. There have been numerous letters from fans from other places who have said this is a very bad place to come and see a game if your an opposing team. If you open your tailgates to other teams, that's great! Like I said, I should not have grouped everyone together. And if your friends have season tickets, that is good too and I am sure they do work hard for those tickets and it's good you can enjoy those games. I just hope you can see a bit of my point of view as well as some things could be toned down a bit to make everyone feel more welcome.

Posted by: Lori Location: Madison on Oct 7, 2008 at 02:41 PM
I find it extremely irritating that the story here is about an incident regarding a few UW band members, and ends up with you people trashing the entire UW area, fans and all. You people may have had a bad experience, but that does NOT mean the entire community is at fault! I am not originally from Madison, nor did I attend the UW, but I love going to Badger Football games, not only to watch football, but also for the social experience. We have a great group of friends (yes, season ticket holders who work hard to pay for those tickets) and we often open our tailgates to opposing team fans. Maybe you're hanging out with the wrong people, or just look as angry as you sound and attract unwelcome advances. In any case, if you don't like it here, feel free to leave!

Posted by: kass Location: madison on Oct 7, 2008 at 12:43 PM
it's funny that people think they should be refunded something because the band wasn't playing. really??

Posted by: Big Ten fan on Oct 7, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Thank you Kathleen. I live in Madison now but didn't grow up here.. nor did I attend school here. So when my alma mater played in Madison last year, I, of course, wore that shirt and have never been treated so rudely in my life. I was walking down the street to meet some friends (a female..alone) and I had groups of men surrounding me and harassing me (that was scary,) the street vendors were harassing me, I even had a kid who couldn't have been more than 14 call me a f&&$ing a**hole while I was simply walking down the street. And people walking by just stared and watched this happen!!! I do not have one good thing to say about my experience at a Badger football game. Last year was my first and last time ever going. Where I went to school, we may teast you for a minute but don't think we aren't there to welcome you with open arms after that. Badger fans are the worst sports fans I've ever seen, right behind Cubs fans!

Posted by: Kathleen Location: Madison on Oct 7, 2008 at 10:51 AM
Totally agree Never Again!! I experienced the same kind of treatment. Badger fans are the rudest, drunkest group of "fans" ever and I will also never attend ever again. Not to mention that everything is mostly season tickets so it is a yuppy event that the normal person cannot attend if they wanted too. I've seen and heard the cheers they do, they are disgusting and dispicable. And if your a fan from an opposing team, I'm worried for your safety. You most certainly will not enjoy yourself at a UW event. UW has a sense of entitlement. I agree with Edith's post below as well. UW people think they are better then everyone because they can afford 10 grand on season tickets for 4 different sports while the "average" fan can't even get tickets. They drive their BMW's with UW plates 80 down the beltline because I went to UW. Who the heck cares? There are many more universities in the midwest or Big 10 for that matter who have much more class to cheer for then this drunkfest of a university.

Posted by: Never Again on Oct 6, 2008 at 10:49 PM
I have attended only one Badger football game and will not return because of the UW Band Alumni seated by us. They were the most rude and obnoxious people I have ever met. They were nasty to us(Badger fans)and also to the opposing fans sitting near us. We were so embarrassed by their behavior towards those visitors. They were convinced that we were sitting in the wrong seats, made fun of the fact we didn't know all the words and motions to the songs the band was playing. We knew some from the hockey and basketball games we've attended, again this was our 1st football game! We have never witnessed such bad sportsmanship at those events. They only shut up when drinking from their flasks, otherwise just constant meanness and vulgar name calling came out of their mouths. Did they learned good sportsmanship and ambassadorship from being in the band? I am sure they were part of the problem back when they were marching. Oh, I forgot to mention these alumni were in their mid 30s. Nice, Huh?

Posted by: They Deserve It on Oct 6, 2008 at 03:56 PM
Not being able to perform in Saturday's game. That's it? Most of you writing here don't have a clue what's going on with this situation. The directors knew about possible hazing going on in the band last week Tuesday--- three days before this went public--- and chose not to do anything about it. What horrible leadership to have if these directors don't even take the steps needed to make changes or atleast attempt to find out what's going on. The person who came forward and told the dean what was going on is a true hero. This person has strong morals and ethics to know that what is going on in the band is corrupt, immature, and untasteful. The UW-Madison marching band does nothing but torment imcoming freshman who just want to find their niche in college. From pushing freshman into bus bathrooms, shaving boys AND girls heads, forcing alcohol consuption, requiring sleep deprivation, forcing to be entertained by the underclassman, and sexual mishaps are unforgivable. Lack of class

Posted by: B Location: MADISON on Oct 6, 2008 at 12:52 PM
To Kim you are really dumb. I would use bigger words, but I doubt you would understand them.

Posted by: Mike Location: Paddock Lake on Oct 6, 2008 at 11:41 AM
People are completely naive to think that ANY group of college students, whether it be the band, the crew team, or a bunch of frat boys, together with alcohol won't eventually cause problems. Leckrone cannot babysit all of these students all of the time, and shouldn't have to. I was in the band, and we did some crazy things that could have gotten us into a lot of trouble. That will be the case for any group of this size. Suspending the entire band will not stop this from happening in the future. I'm sure that the culture will change, but as long as you have a bunch of young people together mixed in with alcohol and a road trip, chances are, you're not going to get a group bible study session. Move on, and deal with it. Now, having the coach say that we don't need the band to win, that's a different conversation...

Posted by: Mary Location: Columbus, Ohio on Oct 6, 2008 at 11:28 AM
As a visitor in your stadium, it was a shame not to hear the UW band on Saturday. It's something even opposing teams enjoy as I remember from past visits how great of a band you have. I hope the conduct can be cleared up so that all can enjoy the band again.

Posted by: Alyssa Location: Madtown on Oct 6, 2008 at 10:55 AM
Right on Think before you Speak! I couldn't have said it any better. Entitlement is a big part of the problem with athletes because they are handed everything to them. Great Post!

Posted by: K on Oct 6, 2008 at 10:50 AM
To "Kim" saying band members won't amount to anything? You live in a sad world little lady, if you really think this way. I hope you enjoy the rest of your life making minimum wage at the Gap!

Posted by: Edith Location: Madison on Oct 6, 2008 at 08:35 AM
I agree the WI band is very good. But the whole Badger "experience" isn't a good one unless you pump thousands of dollars into that university and look down on everyone else and treat visitors to Camp Randall like crap. UW always covers everything up and sweeps it under the rug. But not this time and I'm glad for it. While I feel sorry for the band kids who were not apart of the hazing and are being punished, the inappropriate behavior of band members, student athletes, students and some Badger fans in general must stop. I've been to games at opposing facilities and have been treated very well. Yet if a opposing team comes here, they are hassled, ridiculed, bombarded by drunks and run out of town. I hope this serves as a wake up call to good old Barry and the university system that it's about time this behavior changes, not just in the band but throughout the entire program. It's the elitist attitude which turns many people off about UW. Let's return this to a upstanding university.

Posted by: jon Location: madison on Oct 6, 2008 at 08:21 AM
Kim, They will not amount to anything? I was in the U.W. Marching band from 83-86 and I am now the CEO of a major marketing firm. You are ignorant and need to keep your posts to yourself. What do you do for a living, make fries at McDonalds or collect welfare? Not nice to throw insults around now is it!

Posted by: Think before you speak! on Oct 6, 2008 at 08:10 AM
You people saying that band memebers won't amount to anything sound very ignorant. Yes, they do have the reputation of being "geeks" but I'm guessing the band director isn't going to the Detroit ghetto recruiting thugs that can play sports. I have worked with many people in my career who were "band geeks" and are now pharmacists, lawyers, etc. They were the ones showing up to class and getting good grades! And saying that the athletes will amount to something because "they can go pro" just sounds stupid. It irritates me that while I'm shelling out hundreds each month to repay my loans that these "athletes" are taking for granted the education that is handed to them simply because they can play football. They don't appreciate it, they feel they are entitled to it, or at least most of them do. These "band geeks" didn't receive a full ride simply because they can play the trumpet!! Think before you make ignorant comments like that!

Posted by: Andy Location: Madison on Oct 5, 2008 at 11:32 PM
I'm pretty sure that 2/3s members of the band are engineers, so saying they won't amount to anything is laughable. Also, most band members also played sports in high school. Also, the band is in better cardiovascular shape than half of the football team. Sounds like someone talking that couldn't make the cut.

Posted by: ron Location: madison on Oct 5, 2008 at 09:44 PM
Either fire Leckrone; or suspend the enti