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Cuts In School Aid: The Impact In The Classroom

Fall River: Governor Walker's budget cut general school aids by $750 million over two years. For 2012, schools lost $390 million just in general state aid.

Walker orginally said schools would save $488 million a year by requiring employees to contribute 5% towards their pension and 12% towards their healthcare.

But that projection was flawed, as many schools already had their employees contributing to both pensions and healthcare.

Now, according to Governor Walker's own website touting his reforms, the real number for school savings is $389 million this year.

Compared to the $390 million schools lost this looks like a wash, but not every school was hit the same.

For example, the Fall River School District saved $122,000 in employee costs after the Governor's budget went into effect, but that barely made up half of the $235,000 they lost in state aid.

In the end, Fall River had to cut its budget and still raised taxes 4.4%.

Every school in the state has felt the impacts of these changes, but do tighter budgets for schools and smaller paychecks for teachers have an impact on morale, and do the kids ultimately suffer in the classroom?

Kim Biehl is trying to get her 10th grade english class to read through a story problem and find the main point. "What is the big idea, what do we think?"

They're learning that even when presented with an overwhelming amount of information, you can boil it all down to a common theme. "Coming together, bridging the gap, community leaders trying to organize."

Kim and other educators are using the same process to see if all of Governor Walker's changes to education have an impact in the classroom. "It is definitely more difficult this year."

The most immediate impact for teachers is in their paycheck. "The cuts have really been on the backs of the teachers more directly," says Fall River Superintendent Jeff Tortomasi. "Everybody that's leaving this building is leaving with a smaller paycheck than they did the year before."

Tortomasi says the money saved by making teachers contribute more towards their pension and health care costs did not equal the cut in state aid.

On top of that, there were five retirements. "You develop a culture in a school and when you have a lot of loss of staff, like some districts have, that culture changes and it doesn't necessarily change for the better," says Tortomasi.

"I really thought I'd teach 2 or 3 more years for sure," says Mike Kratochwill, who was one of the teachers that decided to retire last spring, out of fears the state may go after his pension. "I really wasn't ready to retire, mentally, emotionally it was not something I wanted to do. But I thought I had to do something to safeguard my retirement."

Over the summer, the district asked him to come back, at a lower salary and with no benefits. "I lost my years of experience so I'm now a first year teacher."

Kim Biehl knows other teachers could go early next spring. "I know there are a couple of my colleagues kind of going back and forth trying to decide what the next step for them."

Beyond the pay cuts and the pension fears, Kim says the biggest concern is the lack of respect towards her profession. "I'm not going to say it doesn't hurt when you've got kinda the negative comments coming through the kids that they're hearing at home, calling me a union thug."

Kim is quick to point out this isn't a Fall River thing. "We get a lot of support from the community, a lot of overall support from our school board."

But that goodwill was earned. Last February, when teachers from around the state descended on the Capitol, Fall River teachers marched around their school and then went inside and taught.

The school board rewarded them with an extension on their contract. Tortomasi says those gestures can't be overlooked. "Part of that is the difference in the way the whole thing was approached. It wasn't done to them, it was done with them. As opposed to the feeling in the state, to a great extent, nobody had a lot of say in what was going on, it just came down, it came down fast and it came down hard."

"My husband is in education as well," says Biehl. "His school is struggling with a lot of the same feelings that we are here."

Kim says part of her responsibility is to make sure those feelings don't come out in class.

Both Tortomasi and Biehl say the biggest long term danger is if teachers are not respected by the government or the public, they fear more students may decide not to enter the profession.


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  • by bob Location: wisconsin dells on Nov 10, 2011 at 07:46 PM
    Welcome to the real world.
  • by A taxpayer and teacher Location: Wisconsin on Nov 8, 2011 at 04:03 PM
    You do realize that teachers are taxpayers too, right?
  • by A Fall River Teacher on Nov 7, 2011 at 06:06 PM
    Here is an analogy: If you needed heart surgery, would you go to a doctor fresh out of school with very little hands on training or one with some experience? I would go so far as to say that I would even pay more for the experience and advanced education.
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      by WIBadger on Nov 8, 2011 at 11:12 AM in reply to A Fall River Teacher
      Nice try, but an improper analogy. What you're missing is that for the last 15yrs, taxpayers have been paying more for your so-called "experienced and advanced" teachers. Have you actually seen the trend in test scores? No significant improvements across the board. Teachers and its union always try to sell such analogies to the ignorant taxpayers, and when taxpayers aren't paying attention, it works. The reality is that teachers are overpaid when compared to the private sector when salary and benefits are factored in. If YOU would like to pay more, then please focus on private schools.
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        by A Fall River Teacher on Nov 8, 2011 at 03:21 PM in reply to WIBadger
        I have two children both of which are straight "A" students and they are "advanced" on the WKCE and MAPS. I am very happy with their teachers and their public school education. They are successful and see the value in education because it's stressed at home. We sit down every night and do homework or silently read. Parents need to take some of the blame if their children are struggling; state test scores are directly related to parenting. As an educator, I pay close attention to WKCE scores and I can put a face and family situation to each "below average." You might want to be careful using the word "ignorant" when referring to taxpayers on a public forum. But I guess it's easy to be negative when it's anonymous.
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      by Tim on Nov 8, 2011 at 03:46 PM in reply to A Fall River Teacher
      Poor poor analogy....surgery on a heart and teaching kids math or reading are the same how? Who says cut the pay? All we want is for you to contribute just like we all do in the real world. Keep focused on the issue not the sounds in your head.
  • by Kimberly Location: Fall River on Nov 7, 2011 at 03:40 PM
    There is so much more to being an effective teacher than just subject matter. It takes a least 5 years to really understand how to work with kids. Keep that in mind when you say "good riddance" to seasoned teachers. You are not allowed to complain when your child's education is lacking because "highly driven" doesn't necessarily translate to classroom management.
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      by WIBadger on Nov 8, 2011 at 11:23 AM in reply to Kimberly
      I completely disagree. "Good riddance" was directed to those teachers who are focusing on retirement b/c they aren't too interested in teaching; in essence, they've "sold-out". If it takes 5 years to "really understand" kids, I would suggest that such a teacher is in the wrong career. IT SHOULD NOT TAKE 5 YEARS! Your 5yr statement raises a very significant point: that is, NOT ALL TEACHERS ARE CAPABLE OF TEACHING, and those are the ones that should be dismissed from the school district. Finally, since I pay the bill, I'm allowed to complain whenever the system is failing my child, which has been occurring over the past several years. When's the last time you heard of a school board terminating a six figure administrator so that the arts class, or phy-ed program, or music program, etc., could remain for the BENEFIT of students? Has not happened ... yet.
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        by Kimberly on Nov 8, 2011 at 04:01 PM in reply to WIBadger
        I would be curious to know what WIBadger does for a living since he/she is so up on what happens in schools. P.S. Everyone that works in a school "pays the bill" too and we have children that attend those very same schools.
  • by Tim Location: Fall River on Nov 7, 2011 at 01:35 PM
    Kim makes 47,620 plus 29,792 in benefits for working 190days?? Mike makes 56,120 plus 31,416 in benefits. My pay is less than either of these two for a full year of work. I pay 500.00 per month for health insurance plus a 2,000.00 out of pocket before any insurance kicks in. If we had better results for our tax money I wouldn't complain. Try to get correct change from a high school student...most have problems with that.
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      by Kimberly on Nov 7, 2011 at 05:40 PM in reply to Tim
      I actually make more than that and I advise several clubs, direct fall theatre, and I'm the ATODA coordinator. Oh, I have a Master's degree in education. All I have ever wanted to do is work with high school kids. I thank God every day that I am employed. It's not about money; it's about a lack of respect in the profession. Schools are the scapegoat for a break down of families and work ethic.
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        by WIBadger on Nov 8, 2011 at 12:07 PM in reply to Kimberly
        Hey, glad to hear that you enjoy what you're doing! Not everyone can say that! Unfortunately, with respect to public employees (private, too), you're in the minority. Do not allow the lack of respect in the profession run you down. We are at the tip of the iceberg when it comes to "cleaning-up" the teaching profession. If nobody has thanked you, please accept my "thanks" and I hope your students will remember you as a great teacher.
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        by Tim on Nov 8, 2011 at 03:56 PM in reply to Kimberly
        Have you seen how the teachers ACTED during this whole thing? Leaving school when it's against your contract, bringing politics into the classroom, talking about Gov Walker with no respect, teachers have complained about how poor they have been paid for years. There are many many GREAT teachers but the unions are the reason you do not get the respect you deserve. Be professional and get rid of the unions. Your suppose to be intelligent so stand up and speak for yourselves. You don't need a big bully to speak for you do you?
  • by Anonymous on Nov 4, 2011 at 03:56 PM
    lol obvious paid troll is obvious. "Highly-driven young teachers who often cost much less". Yeah, that's because they get paid about $12.00 an hour, genius. You think the best and the brightest will line up for $25,000 a year? Paid posters are hilarious.
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      by WIBadger on Nov 7, 2011 at 12:28 PM in reply to
      You're flat out wrong about your numbers and its effects. Younger people are looking for jobs!!! I'd much rather have my child educated by a younger, ambitious teacher than one who is contemplating retirement. Everyone is replaceable in our society. Everyone.
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      by Tim on Nov 7, 2011 at 01:48 PM in reply to
      Have you not seen the starting salary of teachers?? 12.00 per hour??? Where can a school hire a teacher for 12.00 an hour? Do the math, starting teachers make much more than 12.00 per hour.
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      by Kimberly on Nov 7, 2011 at 03:15 PM in reply to
      So true!
  • by Parent on Nov 4, 2011 at 02:30 PM
    I don't completely understand school funding and budgets but this school district is complaing about raising taxes and not enough government funding all the while proposing to the taxpayers a multimillion dollar referendum to purchase land and build an unneeded sports facility. Talk about too used to sitting comfortably. As for the retired art teacher, unfortunately the unions got him so scared he jumped the gun, he is the best art teacher I have ever known and his talent and mentoring is worth every dime he earns. Unions=cut all hope and control people's attitudes out of fear.
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      by WIBadger on Nov 7, 2011 at 12:32 PM in reply to Parent
      Dear Parent -- Please take some time to educate yourself about your district's funding and budgeting. Most teachers (ie, not all) and the greedy teacher's union hope you'll remain ignorant on these issues. The more educated you become, the more you'll see how the taxpayers (including the parents) are being fleeced, with no real benefit accruing to the students.
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      by Kimberly on Nov 7, 2011 at 03:13 PM in reply to Parent
      If a district wants to compete for open enrollment with other local schools within driving distance, they have to have top notch extra-curricular programs. That's just the way it is.
  • by Jim Location: Madison on Nov 4, 2011 at 01:30 PM
    What a minute are they actually complaining their contributions aren't making up the difference from the state cuts? Ok then, make them contribute more.
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      by Kimberly on Nov 7, 2011 at 02:55 PM in reply to Jim
      What people don't realize is that there will be a shortage of teachers! Why would a highly educated person want to be in a career where they can't make a house payment and raise a family - oh, and pay student loans. No one complains that doctors and business men make six figures. I not only teach kids but I am a foster mom in many cases because of lack of parenting - I EARN every bit of my salary and benefits. I don't want to hear any complaints when we have a whole generation of illiterate kids because they are in a classroom of 50 first graders.
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        by Tim on Nov 10, 2011 at 02:21 PM in reply to Kimberly
        Highly educated?? Are you kidding? Most of my friends that couldn't make it in the professions dealing with science and math switch to teaching. How long does it take to get a teaching degree? How long does it take to become a medical doctor, vet, chiropractor or CPA? Educated, yes but come on Highly? My son is a teacher and owns a beautiful 10 year old house and is planning his Disney vacation for this Christmas. You teachers where asked to do what we all have been doing at our jobs for years. The sky is not falling. Teachers make a nice living and if you need more $ try working a full year. I'd love to have as much time off as a teacher. I'd love the benefits. You get to work with kids and kids are so much fun to work with. I work with kids through our church and have so much fun. Stop complaining and thank God you have a job.
  • by Basement Troll on Nov 4, 2011 at 12:13 PM
    What a surprise, Walker lied and mislead the state. I'm shocked. Now republican families can finally get a taste of what they bought; unfortunately, it's their kids that will suffer.
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      by WIBadger on Nov 7, 2011 at 12:36 PM in reply to Basement Troll
      Walker provided the tools to get rid of incompetent teachers and I hope we can get rid of unnecessary administrators (many who make six-figures!!!), both of which has ensured that our kids suffer. After pumping MILLIONS of dollars into the educational system, our kids are no smarter than those of 15yrs ago.
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        by Kimberly on Nov 7, 2011 at 06:00 PM in reply to WIBadger
        Each district has one adminstrator and each building has a principal. Is that really too much leadership?
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          by WIBadger on Nov 8, 2011 at 11:28 AM in reply to Kimberly
          Wrong. Either you're misinformed or you haven't done your homework. Some districts have one of each. However, although each building has one principal, many many have multiple, highly paid administrators.
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        by Kimberly on Nov 8, 2011 at 06:58 PM in reply to WIBadger
        Only very large multi million dollar budget districts have more than one administrator. Smaller school districts only have 1 principal per building and 1 super. Most smaller districts only have part-time admin to save money.
  • by WIBadger on Nov 4, 2011 at 10:25 AM
    We've been down this path before; if school boards (who are supposed to represent the public) are serious about educating its students, it will, in addition to the Walker plan, begin to eliminate admin staff in its schools. For those teachers who decided to retire, why do we care to hear from them? Good riddance. The school boards can bring in fresh, highly-driven young teachers, who often cost much less. And, no, there is no value in paying experienced teachers way more in salaries and benefits -- one need only look at the dismal academic performance of students.
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      by Kimberly on Nov 7, 2011 at 03:10 PM in reply to WIBadger
      Right...you should blame teachers and schools for "dismal academic performance." No one ever blames the parents and the break down of family values. How many parents make their kids shut of TV, computers, cell phones/texting and video games to do homework or heaven forbid...JUST READ? How many parents are positive role models? It's really easy to blame teachers. Students spend 8 hours a day for 5 days a week in school...what are they doing the rest of the time?
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        by WIBadger on Nov 8, 2011 at 11:55 AM in reply to Kimberly
        Okay, if I were to accept your argument, which I don't, why have taxpayers been paying for outrageous teacher salary and benefits over the years? The fact is that teachers -- thru the greedy union -- demanded higher compensation to attract and retain "experience," all of which was to promote the growth of the students. We now know that this has not happened, and it's a bit too late to start blaming the parents. (I do agree that parents should be more actively involved with their kids; and I don't view K-12 as glorified daycare centers; they are places for learning. Our focus for this thread, however, has been about school aid).
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          by Kimberly on Nov 8, 2011 at 06:58 PM in reply to WIBadger
          Haven't you heard that school aid and teacher's jobs are on the line because of test scores? It's all about student performance and parents play a HUGE part of that.
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