It's always a terrifying site.
The wrecked remains of a school bus after a collision that took place with students on board.
But what makes this Milwaukee bus crash so unbelievable, is that police say the driver, didn't have a drivers' license.
"I would think that it would be difficult not to know that they don't have a license," said Mick Howen, Badger Bus Lines.
Howen says he can't believe a school bus driver would be allowed to transport kids without even having a basic drivers' license.
Howen is an operations manager at Badger Bus lines in Madison, and says a basic drivers' license is only step one in a multi-level hiring process that ensures they're getting qualified drivers with clean records.
"We're checking their license, we're checking with the department of motor vehicles," said Howen, "we're making sure that they stay on top of their renewals."
Badger runs charter service, but they also have contracts with the Madison and Monona-Grove school districts.
With kids from Kindergartners to high school seniors on their routes, Howen says safety isn't just part of their plan, it's the cornerstone of their business.
"It certainly is, you can't take any shortcuts, you just can't," said Howen. "That would be, probably, the worst thing you can do operationally."