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UPDATE: Wis. Lawmakers Debate Auto Insurance Minimums

UPDATED Wednesday, January 19, 2011 -- 4:55pm
By Zac Schultz
Twitter @zschultz15

Madison: By all accounts, most people in Wisconsin haven't been bothered by having to carry more liability insurance on their car.

"While you and I and most of us in this room may not have seen those increases the folks struggling today have," says Rep. John Nygren (R-Marinette). Nygren says he wants to rollback the higher state minimums beause some poor people may not be able to afford more insurance and are therefore going without. "Our fear is that by mandating those increased limits at the worst possible time, more people are at risk, because there's more people on the road that are uninsured."

A provision in the 2009 state budget mandated every driver have auto insurance and carry at least $100,000 per person and $300,000 per accident in liability insurance.

Nygren's bill would keep the mandate on having insurance, but go back to the old standard of $25,000 per person and $50,000 per accident.

Robert Kraig and Citizen Action of Wisconsin have been busy opposing almost every piece of Republican legislation this session. They don't like this either, saying when the minimums are too low drivers are underinsured and accident victims don't have enough coverage to pay their bills.

Also, they say the new levels haven't raised rates. "In terms of public filings by insurance companies there has been no evidence of this rate escalation because of the reforms," says Kraig. "In addition, national research found that in 2010 Wisconsin rates were still fourth lowest in the nation."

But a bigger concern for groups like Citizen Action of Wisconsin and the Wisconsin Association for Justice (trial attorneys) is the bill would remove provisions dealing with stacking policies and underinsured motorists.

Danial Plumb says his father Carroll was severely injured in a motorcycle crash last July. Carroll was taken by helicopter to a hospital and spent weeks in intensive care. He is still hospitalize and his bills are more than $1 million.

Plumb's attorney is Jason Abraham, who says, "The medical bills to date are already over a million dollars. The at fault driver had $250,000 of coverage, which they have tendered."

Carroll Plumb had $300,000 worth of underinsured motorist coverage on each of his two motorcyles. Because current law allows him to "stack" his policies along with the other person's policy, insurance has paid out $850,000.

However, under the old law and under Nygren's proposal, Plumb would only be eligible for a total of $300,000. That's because the underinsured motorist law says insurance only pays out a total of what you are insured for. In this case the other driver's policy would have paid out $250,000 and Plumb's would have paid $50,000. But once Plumb got to the $300,000 in coverage insurance was done. The new proposal would also not allow stacking policies.

Daniel Plumb says, "Without the bill that is in place, my father would not be able to collect on his uninsured motorist claims. He would only be allowed what the individual that hit him has on his claim for insurance. My father and mother would have to claim bankruptcy. As the victim, they'd lose everything."

Rep. Nygren says stacking policies just costs more money and will increase premiums. "Providing more opportunity for potential liability claims and in the long run increasing costs."

He also says when people buy $300,000 worth of underinsured motorist coverage, that's what they get. If the other party pays $250,000, and their coverage pays $50,000, they still get their $300,000 in coverage. "I think it's semantics, but the most difficult thing is the average person doesn't understand insurance."

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UPDATED Wednesday, January 19, 2011 --- 1:33 p.m.

MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- A key author of a bill that would dramatically reduce mandatory car insurance levels in Wisconsin says government shouldn't dictate coverage levels.

Rep. John Nygren, a Republican from Marinette, told legislators at a hearing on Wednesday that he's unhappy provisions tucked into the last state budget raised insurance minimums. He says the public didn't get a chance to sound off on the changes.

Under his bill, drivers would still be required to carry car insurance, but the minimum levels of coverage for underinsured motorists, injury or death and property damage would be cut by thousands of dollars.

Nygren says the measure is really about allowing people to choose coverage levels they can afford. Democrats and other groups say the bill is anti-consumer and there's no real reason to roll back coverage levels.

Copyright 2011 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.

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Posted Wednesday, January 19, 2011 --- 7:40 a.m.

MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- Two legislative committees are expected to consider a bill that would dramatically reduce mandatory car insurance levels.

The Republican measure would repeal most of the increases in auto insurance coverage Democrats mandated two years ago. State regulators and the insurance industry say new minimums have driven premiums up.

Under the bill, drivers would still be required to carry car insurance, but the minimum levels of coverage for underinsured motorists, injury or death and property damage would be cut by thousands of dollars.

The Senate Insurance and Housing Committee and the Assembly Insurance Committee are scheduled to hold a joint public hearing on the bill Wednesday morning.

Copyright 2011 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.


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  • by Anonymous Location: Madison on Jan 20, 2011 at 06:44 PM
    Anon, if you are driving around without car insurance, you risk causing yourself great financial injury as well as the victim you hit if the accident is your fault. Please remember that some of us who are law-abiding citizens and pay for auto insurance can barely afford it either, but that's part of the expense of owning a car. And if you hit one of us and we still have to pay a huge deductible to recover our loss, then what happens when we can't afford to pay the deductible? Even if you don't have that consideration for others, at least get insurance for yourself, because if you ever get hit or hit someone and your car has $1000's of dollars worth of damage, you'll be grateful you just had to pay the deductible. If you can't afford car insurance, don't drive or get a cheaper car to insure.
  • by D Location: Madison on Jan 20, 2011 at 04:36 PM
    Anon at 12:16, the law was passed last year, you can drive w/o insurance but if you get stopped by a cop you need to produce proof of insurance and it you dont have proof it is a very hefty fine from what i understand
  • by Anon Location: Madison on Jan 20, 2011 at 12:16 PM
    When was this law passed? I still dont have auto insurance to date! This law hasnt changed anything for me. I even have a car payment. So the system itself isnt working, as I know I am not alone. Other states wont allow you to register a vehicle without proof of insurance. Not sure if thats the case here or not. I guess I will soon find out. But in the mean time understand that I am a single parent, recently divorced, I do not receive public assistance,nor do live a extravagent life. I live check to check since my divorce....and we are barley making it. Car insurance just didnt make my list of things I could afford...right next to cable/internet. I am taking a chance posting this...the negative feedback is coming...i can feel it already. But in all honestly...is anyone else out there in the same boat?
  • by Jenn Location: Madison on Jan 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM
    If you are driving a vehicle you should be required to have a minimum amount of insurance. If you can't afford it, then you have to look at other transportation options.
  • by Angela Location: Madison on Jan 20, 2011 at 09:24 AM
    I want to see more laws that punish people who don't have auto insurance and make victims of the people they hit that do have the insurance. We still have to pay when we get hit and it's not our fault. It doesn't matter if you lower the insurance levels, people still won't get insurance because they just don't care, as I have witnessed for myself.
  • by Jess Location: Wisconsin on Jan 20, 2011 at 07:23 AM
    "government shouldn't dictate".........why not? They dictate everything else.

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